New York Islanders - Challenge 12 - Discussion Thread

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:28 pm

For anyone who is curious as of the 40 games mark I had 24 wins. All in all, did I make more trades than I normally do? Yes, after the Chicago challenge in my games I wouldn't trade my first year and generally try and build through drafting and free agency. This is just some food for thought for everyone out there.

Crayn · Post by **Crayn** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:30 pm

batdad wrote:Guys...we are sick and tired of all the trades in this game. Challenges are for those who want a challenge. Not those who make 10000000000 trades. I am dropping out of the challenge after season 1, because it is no fun. Having to make deals to try and win a challenge is absolutely stupid.

Find me a real NHL team that changes 17/23 players in 2 years? Come on....

Unless we treat our users like babies, they don't want to play the game realistically. So this is it for me. Done with challenges.

Good luck finding anyone else with time to put into this. You people and taking advantage of AI make me tired. I actually feel sorry for you.

And no... I don't care if you are new to the site. That IMHO just makes you a little baby when I tell you you did something wrong, and you whine and cry or send me 22 PMs, or B72.

Tis pathetic that after season 1 I have made more trades than I have in an EHM game since about challenge 7, and I KNOW my team still has more original ISlanders on it than virtually anyone else.

Absolutely pathetic. And what is really funny...all those changes and all those star players (or who you think are star players) and you still cannot win 40 games.

You guys need to get with the program. Losing is frustrating no doubt. But start playing with the game and using your brains instead of beating up the AI to get better.

Last challenge for me unless we go back to core rules and serious trade restrictions.

No more babysitting in this challenge either. You screw up the rules...YOu are out.

Since apparently babysitting and helping gets snotty comebacks...here is one for all of you AI abusers:

oH WAIT, can't use that language

I hope this isn't directed at me

I only made depth trades (Sorry if trading for Bates Battaglia is taking advantage of the AI) and traded Guerin and Weight before the deadline for young players.. Then I made 2 deals in the offseason and gave up significant young players because I had the depth to do it. Oh, and just like you, I avoided players I've used before in the past.

There are some people who are going off the wall, but don't get crazy on everyone. Chill out, dood.

Crayn · Post by **Crayn** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:34 pm

batdad wrote:Read the rules Crayn. Do they say Must be under 24 years of age, or 24 years of age and younger?

24 and younger, so he's good. Just wanted clarification, that's all.

Sucker Punch · Post by **Sucker Punch** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:07 pm

thunderbug wrote:All this talk about trades got me to look at what I had moved and all. I have made a total of 4 trades. Moved 5 assets. This includes 4 players and 1 draft pick. I have received back a total of 4 players. Where is everyone else in this?

I've made 2 trades. Sent 4 players away and received 3 in total, but I'm only 20 games in. I'm awful, so my only other plan is to dump Weight and/or Guerin at the deadline.

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:21 pm

Ah, all of my trades were in the first 20 games. I'm currently fighting for the top of the east so everyone is staying put. I posted what my trades were a few pages back. I should be posting my 3rd quarter segment for the first season in a little bit. I am approaching game 60.

Sucker Punch · Post by **Sucker Punch** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:34 pm

thunderbug wrote:Ah, all of my trades were in the first 20 games. I'm currently fighting for the top of the east so everyone is staying put. I posted what my trades were a few pages back. I should be posting my 3rd quarter segment for the first season in a little bit. I am approaching game 60.

I don't know how you guys do it.

When Witt came back, I brought in Miika Wiikman, Blair Betts and Chris Clark to improve my goaltending, PK, and defense, switched my tactics to a more defensive, grinding style, and now I'm keeping the scores close, but I still lose darn near every game.

I just have a hard time seeing the effects of the changes I make, everything seems so random. Tactics obviously play a massive part, as evidenced by all the people having success with the Isles, but I just can't get a grasp on them. What I do just doesn't seem to have much of an effect.

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:21 pm

For people starting out with tactics, I recommend they try the slapshot tactic. It's a good starting place. It will get most teams winning fairly quickly. From there I suggest experimenting. Knowing how to tweak tactics the way we do takes time to master.

AvesFan101 · Post by **AvesFan101** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:26 am

Now I am not involved in the Challenge per say. I am fallowing all the rules expect for the manage the game your self part and the fact in my game the Islanders are the Kansas City Defenders and are in the central division, but I decided to limit my self to 7 Trades &or Transactions per season. Obviously in season one I can sign UFA's to help my pro team, but I think a restriction like this will affect my second season.

Also, on other notes Mike Sillinger also retired early on in my game which was quite nice, except the injury bug seems to still be hanging over my head as I have lost Mike Comrie for 4 months with a separated shoulder.

Here are the 3 trades I made once I was able to make trades:
Thomas Pick to Flames for Mark Giordano
Trent Hunter to Avalanche for T.J. Hensick and Per Ledin
(p) Brain Day to Leafs for Bates Battaglia

Go Defenders (Islanders) Go

Peterman5000 · Post by **Peterman5000** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:27 am

This Islanders team is deeply flawed and for the most part not even an NHL roster.

Guerin is terrible, Comrie is overpaid, and Weight is just that, dead Weight.

With key players like Witt and Dipietro out for the bulk of the season, rebuilding this team is really a challenge in itself.

I have added younger players and prospects, and made alot of trades, but that HAS happened in the NHL in the past. I've seen teams make many small to medium trades to retool.

The real Islanders traded Comrie and Campoli today in fact.

I can't see why people would be upset about other people trading alot.

jbsnadb · Post by **jbsnadb** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:25 am

Some people are more sensitive than others.

jbsnadb · Post by **jbsnadb** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:21 am

So much for Russian Domination. Ouch

OHL-Russian Selects 2007

eric1985 · Post by **eric1985** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:38 am

I for one am not upset about everyone trading, just disapointed in myself.... The islanders are deeply flawed but ive done over 20 twenty trades... even though im within the rules im stopping my trading as i think ive gone overboard...

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:46 am

Trading that much actually hurts you guys more than it helps. By doing that much trading you kill your team chemistry.

eric1985 · Post by **eric1985** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:59 am

its worked for my team...we are actually doing better than before

Post by **batdad** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:26 pm

Dear Peterman.

Challenges are designed for a "realistic" hockey management experience. Not a trade whoever you want when you want experience. Since when is trading your entire roster realistic?

And like I said, what is really funny is that those who trade a ton, are still yet to win a challenge. Ever.

So maybe there is some advice for you in there somewhere.

Upset, sensitive? No. Making people follow the rules of the challenge, and "THE SPIRIT" of the challenges .... Yes,.

And as I said before...you don't follow, you are out.

And sorry Peterman, but the Isles roster is an NHL roster. Because they are an NHL team. A previously badly managed one yes. But they are an NHL team. In the challenge, you are to turn the team around. But It should be a realisitc move of players.

Not even my team is realistic, because I had to keep up in order to compete. But guess what? I am winning, and it is boring. And I am stopping the challenge after season 1.

leafsnation · Post by **leafsnation** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:50 pm

Does that mean the challenge will only run for one season? I was checking the challenge stats too, so maybe I better wait and get in the next one so I don't waste too much time on this one if its gonna be short.

Post by **batdad** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:54 pm

Sorry I should clarify.

No, others can still play. I won't be playing.

leafsnation · Post by **leafsnation** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:45 pm

ok i'll keep going

Peterman5000 · Post by **Peterman5000** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:31 pm

batdad wrote:Dear Peterman.

Challenges are designed for a "realistic" hockey management experience. Not a trade whoever you want when you want experience. Since when is trading your entire roster realistic?

And like I said, what is really funny is that those who trade a ton, are still yet to win a challenge. Ever.

So maybe there is some advice for you in there somewhere.

Upset, sensitive? No. Making people follow the rules of the challenge, and "THE SPIRIT" of the challenges .... Yes,.

And as I said before...you don't follow, you are out.

And sorry Peterman, but the Isles roster is an NHL roster. Because they are an NHL team. A previously badly managed one yes. But they are an NHL team. In the challenge, you are to turn the team around. But It should be a realisitc move of players.

Not even my team is realistic, because I had to keep up in order to compete. But guess what? I am winning, and it is boring. And I am stopping the challenge after season 1.

Dear Batdad

Well I for one don't have endless hours to spend finding perfect tactics like some of the people on this forum. I still have many of the original Islander players and prospects, including a rising star in Kyle Okposo.

I enjoy rebuilding teams, It's the way I enjoy playing the game. If these challenges aren't designed to be trade for whoevers whenevers, then you should put that in the rules?

Post by **batdad** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:03 pm

Um...not sure I have ever said you specifically have traded away your entire roster. However, it has in the past been in the rules to stop trades galore. When I look at rosters out there (not yours specifically) I see things like 5 original DB Islanders on the team after 1 season. Yeah...realistic.

And Peterman--maybe it is time for you to either deal with what is said around here by the mods and stop snapping back, or time to go. You make the call.

And for all those out there who think a "rebuild" is ship out 12 players and bring in 15 others, or ship out 20 and bring in 10 in one month, one year or even 2 years...please find me a team that did.

Oh, and if I did specifically point you out Peterman...oh well. Deal. I am not responsible for what you think.

Peterman5000 · Post by **Peterman5000** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:04 pm

batdad wrote:Um...not sure I have ever said you specifically have traded away your entire roster. However, it has in the past been in the rules to stop trades galore. When I look at rosters out there (not yours specifically) I see things like 5 original DB Islanders on the team after 1 season. Yeah...realistic.

And Peterman--maybe it is time for you to either deal with what is said around here by the mods and stop snapping back, or time to go. You make the call.

Time to go?

I don't understand the hostility.

It's just a game.

Post by **batdad** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:06 pm

No hostility Peterman....just if you don't like how things are done, don't be around those things. That simple.

If I were hostile, I would have booted ya already.

Peterman5000 · Post by **Peterman5000** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:08 pm

batdad wrote:No hostility Peterman....just if you don't like how things are done, don't be around those things. That simple.

If I were hostile, I would have booted ya already.

Good point.

I'm just trying to be helpful. I guess I'll just focus on my challenge and stay out of it.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:04 am

Since the challenge just started, would it be possible to to implement a 12B, where there is a trade rule in effect? I'm sure many people would be interested in it and switch or do both.

Post by **batdad** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:50 pm

Rules are not changing for this challenge.