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These goalie stats are insane... Really excited as a Jets fan.

djskek wrote:After the performance of Canada, an NHL quota should be introduced at the World Championships and the Olympics. Perhaps max. 6-8 players from the NHL per country. Perhaps the tournament then something exciting and even small nations will have the opportunity to achieve more.

I'd prefer smaller tournaments, with far fewer teams (the first Canada Cup in 1976, with 6 teams, was about right), or allow just amateur players.....and I'm kinda stunned you wrote what you did. I can't see how anyone would take the Olympics/Worlds seriously if the best teams were penalized so "even small nations will have the opportunity" (Canada doesn't complain we're not involved in World Cup soccer, we accept we're not good enough and don't belong there unless we are)

umwoz wrote:These goalie stats are insane...

If you look at who they were against, nothing special IMO

nino33 wrote:

djskek wrote:After the performance of Canada, an NHL quota should be introduced at the World Championships and the Olympics. Perhaps max. 6-8 players from the NHL per country. Perhaps the tournament then something exciting and even small nations will have the opportunity to achieve more.

I'd prefer smaller tournaments, with far fewer teams (the first Canada Cup in 1976, with 6 teams, was about right), or allow just amateur players.....and I'm kinda stunned you wrote what you did. I can't see how anyone would take the Olympics/Worlds seriously if the best teams were penalized so "even small nations will have the opportunity" (Canada doesn't complain we're not involved in World Cup soccer, we accept we're not good enough and don't belong there unless we are)

That's a good point. But you can not compare with the football, because the world peak is larger and much more closely. The relation is not correct. Perhaps the Tournament schedule would have to be changed.

But in the end. In this year probably the relegation battle have been more exciting than the battle for the WC crown. I hope the WC can convince me otherwise.

djskek wrote: But in the end. In this year probably the relegation battle have been more exciting than the battle for the WC crown. I hope the WC can convince me otherwise.

That battle hasn't started yet. Group play means very little. Nobody remembers or cares who did what at that stage. Gold is all that matters.

That's the bad part. Perhaps Canada has not even really started to play. That scares me.

Today I switched the TV channel after the 5th goal of Canada. Why should I look at the game yet? To view the beautiful goals? To see the players who play 3 classes better ice hockey? No, the audience will be an exciting game! Everything else can I watch on YT.

For me, something has to change the mode or to the teams.

If you look at the groups before the tournament, we know about 90% probability, which teams end up in the quarterfinals.

djskek wrote: In this year probably the relegation battle have been more exciting than the battle for the WC crown.

I think only those teams that have to worry about relegation consider any of their games "exciting" (no one else is paying any attention)

djskek wrote:That's the bad part. Perhaps Canada has not even really started to play. That scares me.

Or they could lose the first playoff game and they'd be out (as has happened before)...nobody grows up in Canada wanting to win the World Championship (it means you're not in the NHL playoffs!)

djskek wrote:If you look at the groups before the tournament, we know about 90% probability, which teams end up in the quarterfinals.

So why not eliminate all those teams you know aren't going to make the quarterfinals? Have another tournament (as they already do) but stop having so many lower level teams in the Olympics/Worlds.....have 6-8 teams, everybody plays everybody once, then playoffs

Germany had already rescued yesterday. For me it was very exciting today. But of course the US or Canadian people can not understand. Your not interested for World Championships. It counts only NHL or Olympic.

For many people (at least in Germany) , it would be desirable if the World Cup would not take place every year. 2 years in exchange with Olympic Games would be better. The priority would be higher. Also for our rotten NHL player (excluding Tobi Rieder, Ehrhoff & Leon)

djskek wrote:After the performance of Canada, an NHL quota should be introduced at the World Championships and the Olympics. Perhaps max. 6-8 players from the NHL per country. Perhaps the tournament then something exciting and even small nations will have the opportunity to achieve more.

Kanda plays only with their opponents. If Canada 3 periods play 100%, then no other opponent will have a chance.

In the first period they let play Sweden and then to start playing resolutely with Ice Hockey. Today against Austria they have won probably not even with 60% - 70% exertion 10:1. Where is there still the point? Team Canada laugh oneself silly over their opponents.

Good lord. LOL at all of this.

Canada has been sending over players from teams out of the playoffs for what 3 decades? And finally they have a good team and a Euro (i will not generalize) whines about it? For years and decades all the Euro teams that beat Canada were jumping up and down at the Worlds about how they are catching up, and it FEELS so good to beat CAnada. Now we send over a team of guys who could not make the NHL playoffs or win any games in the playoffs...and you complain that Canada is too good? LOL.

Maybe some Euro nations need to have someone who loves the game step up and make the programs work. This team Canada sent is what Nino about our C or D team with the addition of what 1 or 2 guys from the A team. LOL

I can understand that. For the audience, it is of course great, once - twice watching this team again. But for players of small countries an absolute agony. Many players have to put inhibitions against a player like Crosby a Risk Check. No one would risk the careers of such players. You can you not imagine, but it is really. I did not believe it myself. But I've talked to so many fans and even players who confirmed that. Probably the respect and the fear is just too big.

Well, imagine a scenario where Germany gets relegated from the big boys and have to play countries like South Korea, Netherlands and Lithuania. Should they then restrict how many Germans you can have in your team from DEL or any better league? Maximum of 10 Germans from NHL, AHL, KHL, DEL, SHL and Liiga.... Sure sounds like a great way to do it, right?

Peter_Doherty wrote:Well, imagine a scenario where Germany gets relegated from the big boys and have to play countries like South Korea, Netherlands and Lithuania. Should they then restrict how many Germans you can have in your team from DEL or any better league? Maximum of 10 Germans from NHL, AHL, KHL, DEL, SHL and Liiga.... Sure sounds like a great way to do it, right?

I wrote only of NHL player at big tournaments.

For these opponents Germany needs probably not even 50% (if any) of the German players in the DEL . But maybe you should try it once. On a very bad day, we lose even against Saudi Arabia or similar opponent.

djskek wrote:

Peter_Doherty wrote:Well, imagine a scenario where Germany gets relegated from the big boys and have to play countries like South Korea, Netherlands and Lithuania. Should they then restrict how many Germans you can have in your team from DEL or any better league? Maximum of 10 Germans from NHL, AHL, KHL, DEL, SHL and Liiga.... Sure sounds like a great way to do it, right?

I wrote only of NHL player.

For these opponents Germany needs probably not even 50% (if any) of the German players in the DEL . But maybe you should try it once. On a very bad day, we lose even against Saudi Arabia or similar opponent.

Removing NHL-players is to Canada what removing what i said is to Germany, roughly atleast. So please tell us all how that is ever fair? Can't just change the rules because one country has more good players, i guess we should make all Jamaican sprinters run 5 extra meters? Maybe let all Norwegian skiers use wooden skis? Come on....

Peter_Doherty wrote:

djskek wrote:

Peter_Doherty wrote:Well, imagine a scenario where Germany gets relegated from the big boys and have to play countries like South Korea, Netherlands and Lithuania. Should they then restrict how many Germans you can have in your team from DEL or any better league? Maximum of 10 Germans from NHL, AHL, KHL, DEL, SHL and Liiga.... Sure sounds like a great way to do it, right?

I wrote only of NHL player.

For these opponents Germany needs probably not even 50% (if any) of the German players in the DEL . But maybe you should try it once. On a very bad day, we lose even against Saudi Arabia or similar opponent.

i guess we should make all Jamaican sprinters run 5 extra meters? Maybe let all Norwegian skiers use wooden skis? Come on....

The idea is not bad.


What is unfair if each country may nominate only 6-8 NHL players (okay or we say for USA and Canda 50-60 % from NHL)? Moreover it play many US players / Canadians in Europe or in the lower leagues of US / Canada. It would probably Canada or USA do not even itch.

In Canada, more than 1 million people playing ice hockey. In Austria it give about 6000 and in Germany about 9000 registered ice hockey player.

So? Who cares? Your countries dominate other sports and I do not see the Canadians wanting a more level playing field....sad and pathetic that you think this way. If you really do.
Maybe you should give up half your salary to some person who is out of work? (Not an exact comparison I Know)

Quite honestly if your players are whining and giving up like you appear to be....the German hockey program, or the Austrian one or whoever the weaker nations should kick those guys off the team.

You ONLY get better by playing against better competition. It is the WEAKER hockey nations that asked for the larger World Championship in order to learn. They knew there would be short term pain, and are hoping for long term gain. It is the way to go and the only way to go to get better.

Still cannot stop laughing at your comments. Either you are completely having us on, or you make no sense whatseover.

batdad wrote:Either you are completely having us on, or you make no sense whatseover.

That's what I've been thinking too...

Ok, further discussion does not make sense. Your opinion is clear. The current rules are not changed. It was just an objection or a consideration. That this idea a lot of people not like, I was able to advance even think. However, it should not to feel offended.

Ooppps, didn't want to create a heavy discussion.

I think the performance differences in hockey between the countries, are way too big. it's not like soccer where you can consider about 10 teams "worldclass". in hockey you have 2 or 3 "worldclass", a gap, 2-3 "intenational class", a big gap, 2-3 teams "good", another big gap....and so on. i don't want to offend anyone or any country but when you look at all facts without any national emotions it is what it is. my austrian team has NO chance to win against a top 6 team. there are too many things we cannot compensate with will and "positive thinking". (ie pool of players, ice rinks, youth development, national leagues etc.).

We will see how the world cup of hockey 2016 will "perform" with these "all star teams". maybe a good idea, maybe not. i think some of these "normal 6 big countries" will have a huge problem playing with all of the NHL-Stars from Team Canada and USA.

From NHL.com: The first World Cup competition since 2004 will feature national teams from the United States, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland and the Czech Republic, and there will be two all-star teams, one made up of the top 23-and-under North American players and another featuring the top NHL players from the European countries that aren't represented by their national teams, including Switzerland, Germany, Slovenia, Austria, Norway, Denmark and Latvia.

I'll be rough: If your team/country sucks, it's your problem, not other teams/countries' problem!

Alessandro wrote:I'll be rough: If your team/country sucks, it's your problem, not other teams/countries' problem!

"Very ingenious contribution." From you I would have expected more. Primarily it is up to our structures. This is clear to us and known. Unfortunately, we have little means to change these structures (money, money money). In Germany, the association would have almost financially ruined. A first step has been made with the restructuring of the youth area. But the biggest problem is that we have too few qualified staff. It will certainly take 7-10 years before with us hockey might be better. So far as I know, in Austria there is a stupid league system and annoying foreigners regulation. Only a few players from Austria come to reasonable ice times. In Germany you are doing is also difficult to reduce the limit foreigners. The snob in the boardroom fear for the reputation of the DEL. In the end it's all about the money.

djskek wrote:After the performance of Canada, an NHL quota should be introduced at the World Championships and the Olympics. Perhaps max. 6-8 players from the NHL per country.

That's like saying, for football, that Brazil, Germany and Italy can only have 3-4 players (proportional to the number of players playing 3-4/11...6-8/20) who played in the top level leagues within Premier, Bundensliga, La Liga, etc... Maybe this will give CR7's Portugal a chance at the World Cup.

Of course the comparison is not overly fair as football games are much closer and lower scoring, however the idea is pretty much the same.

mpronger wrote:

djskek wrote:After the performance of Canada, an NHL quota should be introduced at the World Championships and the Olympics. Perhaps max. 6-8 players from the NHL per country.

That's like saying, for football, that Brazil, Germany and Italy can only have 3-4 players (proportional to the number of players playing 3-4/11...6-8/20) who played in the top level leagues within Premier, Bundensliga, La Liga, etc... Maybe this will give CR7's Portugal a chance at the World Cup.

Of course the comparison is not overly fair as football games are much closer and lower scoring, however the idea is pretty much the same.

But the difference is, in football (soccer) there are several very good leagues, with good players and with high training standards . In ice hockey, the NHL is the best thing there is (world class). And that by far. (in all areas...money, trainig requirements, best staff, ect.) But of course, I can also understand your and the others interpretation. But we will come to no common denominator. For this, the situation is too complex. To many viewpoints of different people from different ice hockey worlds.

djskek wrote: But the difference is, in football there are several very good leagues, with good players and with high training standards . In ice hockey, the NHL is the best thing there is. And that by far.(in all areas...money, trainig requirements, best staff, ect.) But of course, I can also understand your and the others interpretation.

The idea of intl' competition is to see the very best compete. Here in Brazil, the only thing we win in sports is Football and Volleyball. It's up to us to get better standards at the other sports, not for the other countries to lower theirs. Some will lose, yes however these loss will hurt much less as long as everyone gives their all.

I'd say to leave import restriction and salary caps to the domestic leagues.

You come from Brazil? I've never explain with Brazil ice Hockey. Is there a league in Brazil?

I have looked. FPHG