EHM The Blue Line

Forgot one thing to nino, this season isn't Shestyorkins first season against men, he played last season in the VHL which is a mens league and posted historic numbers for that league, it's definitely a big step up to the KHL though (which he's made seemlessly) but still.

I'll stay with my original thought. Sorokin is the best of the bunch, I think. More agile, more composed, seems also more focused and with a stronger mental side. He's a future NHL starter. He could be even a present-day NHL starter IMHO. Then we have Samsonov, who has good consistency and is also calm, and agile. Shestyorkin has made great strides, but I think he's the less consistant of the trio, nothing that can be coached more or improved with age, but at this point I think it's Sorokin, Samsonov, and Shestyorkin.
Btw, Peter, I appreciate and understand that you cheer for the Rangers, no problem with it, but it of course puts you in a conflict position. I am not, frankly, considering that we're not discussing if they're better than their Canadian counterparts (certainly they are ) or similar stuff.

I'm obviously biased, but i do use as much objective stats etc i can to stay somewhat objective when i make my case.
What does he end up at for you? ~120 CA -14 PA?

Yes, they're certainly better then their Canadian counterparts, if you have him under for example Thatcher Demko then something is wrong Same age, Demko struggling in the AHL while Shestyorkin (and Sorokin and Samsonov) is excelling in the KHL. Not sure about this but i would guess VHL would be somewhat comparable to NCAA? So yeah, Shestyorkin > Demko

Btw, one thing i don't understand is how you talk about the agility of Sorokin and Samsonov but not Shesty? He's super athletic, that's his biggest strength, the goalie he's being compared too is Jonathan Quick actually so i don't really get that part.

Peter_Doherty wrote:Demko struggling in the AHL while Shestyorkin (and Sorokin and Samsonov) is excelling in the KHL.

IMO there's a HUGE difference between playing goal in the AHL and the KHL, and "excelling" in the KHL doesn't have the value you're giving it (players that aren't even good in the NHL/AHL are stars in the KHL!)

Peter_Doherty wrote:Not sure about this but i would guess VHL would be somewhat comparable to NCAA?

Do players ever go directly from the VHL to the NHL?

The amount of former NCAA players in the NHL is enormous; here's some data regarding NCAA and NHL http://collegehockeyinc.com/pages/infographic-ncaa-nhl


On a personal level (and this is not new news) I think the KHL is significantly overrated (due to money/hype), so I myself am not going to give a lot of importance/value to the VHL.

Peter_Doherty wrote:Their draft position shouldn't really matter too much since drafting goalies is pretty much voodoo.

IMO draft position does matter in the sense that being drafted in the first round "matters" - the voodoo part I'd agree with too to some extent, but in the sense that later round picks can sometimes develop/perform better than initially expected

nino - One big thing here though, it's very different for goalies then it is for skaters. There is less difference between going up/down in level for goalies then it is for skaters. Also overall i feel like ur underestimating KHL by quite a bit, think you especially need to not lump goalies in with skaters.

I'll give you that AHL is a much more high scoring league then the KHL which obviously matters, but Demko is not outperforming his peers in the AHL, Shestyorkin is outperforming his peers in the KHL, i think it's flat out wrong to say that Demko is the better goalie right now and it's very questionable to say he's got the higher potential.

When it comes to VHL - NCAA you can't really compare it like that, because the skaters that do great in the VHL will be promoted to the KHL before they're even considered for NHL, NCAA is a closed league where you can't move mid season. So i guess it was a bad comparison by me but what i was trying to get at is that the quality of shots a goalie would face might be at a similar level in the VHL then the NCAA. That's pure speculation by me though.

When it comes to draft positions i think history has showed that goalies really are voodoo at 17-18, much harder to predict then skaters. While draft position should have some say for the first few years i think it should have way less say for goalies then for skaters.

On a personal level (and this is not new news) I think the KHL is significantly overrated (due to money/hype).

Here is how NHL, KHL and Top European clubs are performing each other in 'Champions Hockey league', currently running 2nd season:



I think both KHL and NHL are overrated here in EHM compared to European league clubs. 1st season was even worse with all European clubs taking bottom spots in league.

I'm not sure your created "Champions League" is representative of overrating of the NHL/KHL by EHM; EHM wasn't designed for such a League

There's a lot more to attempting to edit a worldwide hockey hierarchy then putting teams in single League too, for example...did you edit League Reputation for all relevant Leagues (not just your created League)? Did you modify the Rosters so that the European Clubs were starting with similar talent levels? Did you review the teams in your created League and the rest of the Leagues worldwide and edit their Club Info tab information (I'd think you'd need to do so for at least 100+ teams worldwide...Arena ownership/size, Club Cash/Player Budget and Club Reputation/Training/Fan Support and Market Size)? Did you change the Adaptability ratings of the players (and Ambition and Pressure too)? Did you modify the Salary Ranges of the Leagues worldwide (using the new EHM Editor)? Did you ensure starting team salaries were within the range of their Player Budget?...there's probably more, but that's what comes to mind right away

While EHM wasn't created to be a "virtual sandbox" but rather a realistic simulation, I still think you might be able to use EHM as a virtual sandbox...but you'd need to edit virtually everything worldwide before even starting, and then you'd likely need to edit some things for players using the EHM Assistant as you go (especially if you're going to have the #1 League be a modified KHL)

Another thing to take in consideration is that NHL and KHL teams are rated down to the last player, while other leagues unfortunately aren't on the same level of research. This will of course give NHL and KHL teams an edge over other leagues...

nino33 wrote:I'm not sure your created "Champions League" is representative of overrating of the NHL/KHL by EHM; EHM wasn't designed for such a League

There's a lot more to attempting to edit a worldwide hockey hierarchy then putting teams in single League too, for example...did you edit League Reputation for all relevant Leagues (not just your created League)? Did you modify the Rosters so that the European Clubs were starting with similar talent levels? Did you review the teams in your created League and the rest of the Leagues worldwide and edit their Club Info tab information (I'd think you'd need to do so for at least 100+ teams worldwide...Arena ownership/size, Club Cash/Player Budget and Club Reputation/Training/Fan Support and Market Size)? Did you change the Adaptability ratings of the players (and Ambition and Pressure too)? Did you modify the Salary Ranges of the Leagues worldwide (using the new EHM Editor)? Did you ensure starting team salaries were within the range of their Player Budget?...there's probably more, but that's what comes to mind right away

While EHM wasn't created to be a "virtual sandbox" but rather a realistic simulation, I still think you might be able to use EHM as a virtual sandbox...but you'd need to edit virtually everything worldwide before even starting, and then you'd likely need to edit some things for players using the EHM Assistant as you go (especially if you're going to have the #1 League be a modified KHL)

Of course it' s not perfect, not even close, but it gives basic insight and idea of strength comparison of clubs from different leagues as they as EHM realistic simulation compete each other. I modified league reputations but not for all leagues, also salary caps, and floors and other staff to allow clubs compete against each other.
Regarding elements influencing club strength - I even didn' t want modify anything as such modifications would take clubs and their results away from simulated reality, so Rosters, Arena ownership/size, Club Cash/Player Budget and Club Reputation/Training/Fan Support and Market Size should stay here as they are defined (simulated) to allow for such worldwide club tournament test.

janks wrote:Of course it' s not perfect, not even close, but it gives basic insight and idea of strength comparison of clubs from different leagues

I'm glad you're enjoying playing it but I don't believe it gives any insight at all

janks wrote:Rosters, Arena ownership/size, Club Cash/Player Budget and Club Reputation/Training/Fan Support and Market Size should stay here as they are defined (simulated) to allow for such worldwide club tournament test.

If you had used the NHL instead of the KHL you'd get completely different results, if you'd use another European League instead of the KHL you'd get different results, and if the players in the European Leagues were fully edited (as Alessandro noted) you'd get different results...and all of these different results would occur without editing Rosters, Arena ownership/size, Club Cash/Player Budget and Club Reputation/Training/Fan Support and Market Size

Your comment "I think both KHL and NHL are overrated here in EHM compared to European league clubs. 1st season was even worse with all European clubs taking bottom spots in league" is only true because you've made it be true by what you've edited and what you haven't

I don't think you fully understand what's being said to you...for example, if you don't edit Club Reputation you're essentially ensuring that the game doesn't consider them as part of the Champions League you've created

Also because you've used the KHL as a "template" you've automatically given all KHL teams a significant advantage + limited the available talent because few of the North American players and not all Europeans will have the Adaptability rating to even be willing to play in Russia


I could go on (and on HaHa), but I really am happy that you're enjoying what you created, and only spoke up because you were drawing false conclusions about the game itself (your comment I noted above)

Can't edit to correct wording/clarify meaning in this thread, thus the 2nd post and quote (with correction added)

nino33 wrote: I don't think you fully understand what's being said to you...for example, if you don't edit Club Reputation for the "lower League" clubs you've added you're essentially ensuring that the game (and Free Agents/potential transfers) doesn't consider them as part of the Champions League you've created

nino33 wrote:Can't edit to correct wording/clarify meaning in this thread, thus the 2nd post and quote (with correction added)

nino33 wrote: I don't think you fully understand what's being said to you...for example, if you don't edit Club Reputation for the "lower League" clubs you've added you're essentially ensuring that the game (and Free Agents/potential transfers) doesn't consider them as part of the Champions League you've created

I think I am more interested in competition and results of different hockey clubs worldwide competing each other than in creating very detailed new worldwide league. So basically I wish clubs coming and competing as they are now - with their current rosters, contracts, reputation, financial ability, ability to attract free agents etc.

janks wrote:

nino33 wrote:Can't edit to correct wording/clarify meaning in this thread, thus the 2nd post and quote (with correction added)

nino33 wrote: I don't think you fully understand what's being said to you...for example, if you don't edit Club Reputation for the "lower League" clubs you've added you're essentially ensuring that the game (and Free Agents/potential transfers) doesn't consider them as part of the Champions League you've created

I think I am more interested in competition and results of different hockey clubs worldwide competing each other than in creating very detailed new worldwide league. So basically I wish clubs coming and competing as they are now - with their current rosters, contracts, reputation, financial ability, ability to attract free agents etc.

Like I said, if you hadn't posted here saying the game itself overrated the NHL/KHL I wouldn't have commented on your created League; I don't think you should make such a declarative statement about the game when you're the one creating the situation, not the game
And like I said, I'm glad you're enjoying the League you created

I see that Gints Meija from Dinamo Riga have 17 leadership, which is, I would imagine, an elite level and would be among the best in the league and, in my opinion, it's way too much, because after Sandis Ozolins retired, leadership or lack of it have been brought up as one of the main reasons why Dinamo Riga ship have sinked in last few seasons and team haven't been able to make a play-offs.

Edgars wrote:I see that Gints Meija from Dinamo Riga have 17 leadership, which is, I would imagine, an elite level and would be among the best in the league and, in my opinion, it's way too much, because after Sandis Ozolins retired, leadership or lack of it have been brought up as one of the main reasons why Dinamo Riga ship have sinked in last few seasons and team haven't been able to make a play-offs.

I tuned him down to 16. Won't go lower, he's a team captain, if dinamo lacks leadership it can't be on one single player.

Btw I slightly tuned down also Redlihs (both) and Jerofejevs

Alessandro wrote:I tuned him down to 16. Won't go lower, he's a team captain, if dinamo lacks leadership it can't be on one single player.

It don't says much, to be honest...
Especially, if we consider that he have been in a team from 08/09 season and if we know how many captains Dinamo Riga have had after Sandis Ozoliņš retired (end of 13/14 season) and none of them lasted more than a year, while most of them are still in the team...
I look at it, that he was simply next in the line after all the previous "captains" failed and as this is his first season in this duty, then lets see if he lasts for another season or he will be replaced just like others.

Steam Workshop:

Jokerit-player Rasmus Rissanen uses a lefty-stick, not a right.

One weird thing i've noticed doing a quick test was using USA - FHL teams there are 0 players that are interested to sign for your team.


also some data mistakes I can see are

teams with 'unknown arena' set

BeNe Liga
Den Bosch
Eindhoven
GIJS
Heerenveen
Hijs Hokij Den Haag

Russia Vysshaya
Ararat

Russia Pervaya
HK Cheboksary
HK Rostov
HK Tambov
Mordovira
Slavutich

Estonia
Noortekoondis

b]France 1[/b]
HC Neuilly

Lithuania
Geleziniz Vilkas
Hockeypunks
Juodupes
Rokiskio
Tigrai

USA Atlantic League
Robert Morris

NCHC
Arizona State

Thanks for reporting it. We will so what we can do to fix it. Seems it's similar problem to NCAA.

Some mistakes in transfers :
Maxim Chudinov to Omsk , in TBL roster v10 is in SKA.
Chris Lee to Magnitogorsk , in TBL roster is a free agent.

cptburcea wrote:Some mistakes in transfers :
Maxim Chudinov to Omsk , in TBL roster v10 is in SKA.
Chris Lee to Magnitogorsk , in TBL roster is a free agent.

Elite Prospects says Chudinov moved October 16th and Lee signed October 27th - as is noted on the 10.0 download page "This is a START OF SEASON roster which means that roster transactions have been frozen as of 04 October 2017" so it seems to me things are correct as they are

I think that Karri Ramo stats should be a little bit higher. He's backup in Jokerit this season, but in EHM he looks rather like netminder on VHL level.

Blocker - 10
Rebound control - 6
Reflexes - 11
etc.

In real life he has noted almost 93% of saves percentage so far.


I'm just letting you know as it looks like mistake in database

Modano wrote:I think that Karri Ramo stats should be a little bit higher. He's backup in Jokerit this season, but in EHM he looks rather like netminder on VHL level.

Blocker - 10
Rebound control - 6
Reflexes - 11
etc.

In real life he has noted almost 93% of saves percentage so far.


I'm just letting you know as it looks like mistake in database

I have improved his CA/PA which seemed way too low and was causing his attributes to drop