EHM The Blue Line

tksolway wrote:

Lidas wrote:

visualdarkness wrote:I'll join the choir, Oilers farming needs a solution! They have really become unplayable.

Denis Grebeshkov should get a offensive boost (he got a sniping wrister I tell you), and his defensive game for sure is worse than his skills in the DB tells.
Pääjärvi-Svensson should get his name inverted like people already said and he is a bit on the slow side (although I don't know if you made it that way because he's young).
Chris Minard is a AHL star-player just below NHL-level who the Oilers signed to lead at Springfield, he's in need of a boost.
Anything lower than 20 in aggressiveness for Matt Nickerson is too low. Teams won't sign him bacause of his temper and aggression, he's a real problemchild.

Errors are rare and pretty much covered already, only some subjective tweaking of some players. Good job!

Done

Great, did you give the Oil their own affiliation? or do they share two?

I havent touched the affiliations. I havent decided what to do, but I want to keep the game as realistic as possible. When managing Edmonton wouldnt it be possible take control of the ECHL teams, dump their players, and in that way create spots for your players? Player development shouldnt be hampered since Springfield still have the same training facilities.

bestrafer7 wrote:I want to throw in some "updates" for the Red Wings.

It looks like a few players rights are missing.
- Gennady Stolyarov
- Andrei Maximenko (he is actually missing from the DB)

I believe both their rights have been dropped.

bestrafer7 wrote: Adam Almquist:
- The Name should be Adam Almqvist
- Gained weight over the off season and he is now 83kg.
- Adam's potential should be changed to -14. Hakan Andersson said this about Almqvist "If it all came down to hockey sense, he probably would have been a first-round pick. The hockey sense is something else. It's as good as I've seen in many years". He currently leads the SuperElite league with 29 points in just 13 games for the HV71 U-20 team.
- Mental Adjustments - Anticipation (11 to 15), Decisions (11 to 16), Vision (12 to 18)
- Technical Adjustments - Movement (9 to 12), Passing (9 to 14), Slapshot (7 to 10)

I fixed the name and weight, but I believe your ratings are way off.

bestrafer7 wrote: Brian Rufenach:
- Name should be Bryan Rufenach

Fixed

bestrafer7 wrote: Andrei Maximenko: (Needs to be created) - http://www.redwingscentral.com/prospects/maximenko.php
- Left Wing, Shoots Right
- Drafted 5th Round Pick (149th Overall) in 1999 by the Detroit Red Wings
- Born October 1st, 1981 in Moscow, Russia
- 6'0" and 179lbs
- A good skater who likes to get involved, Maximenko was never able to establish himself as a regular at the Russian Elite League level. He has become a solid player in Russia's second-tier league with Zauralie Kurgan.

He is spelled Maksimenko in the DB

bestrafer7 wrote: Tomas Tatar:
- Potential should be -14, -15. He is another highly regarded player in the Red Wings system. He wasn't expected to even be considered for a contract this season, but was awarded a contract after a stellar rookie camp and training camp.

-15 could give him way too high potential. I have actually re-rated all players with -15 (and -14,-13). I now only give players who are not old enough to have been drafted those ratings. I dont want the DB to be too randomized. Im using Hockeysfuture for PA ratings, and they rate him with -7 PA.

ehmfans wrote:My favorite team is the Canadiens, but Carey Price and Halak are way to overated. And Halak has a low potenciel and Price a to high.


THx for the great work!

I play 6 hours last night

I dont believe their CAs are off. Worked a bit on their potentials.

Lidas wrote:

bestrafer7 wrote:I want to throw in some "updates" for the Red Wings.

It looks like a few players rights are missing.
- Gennady Stolyarov
- Andrei Maximenko (he is actually missing from the DB)

I believe both their rights have been dropped.

Both are still listed by Red Wings Central (#1 Red Wings prospect site) and the official Red Wings site.

Stolyarov - http://redwings.nhl.com/club/player.htm ... view=stats
Maximenko - http://redwings.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8468022

Lidas wrote:

bestrafer7 wrote: Adam Almquist:
- The Name should be Adam Almqvist
- Gained weight over the off season and he is now 83kg.
- Adam's potential should be changed to -14. Hakan Andersson said this about Almqvist "If it all came down to hockey sense, he probably would have been a first-round pick. The hockey sense is something else. It's as good as I've seen in many years". He currently leads the SuperElite league with 29 points in just 13 games for the HV71 U-20 team.
- Mental Adjustments - Anticipation (11 to 15), Decisions (11 to 16), Vision (12 to 18)
- Technical Adjustments - Movement (9 to 12), Passing (9 to 14), Slapshot (7 to 10)

I fixed the name and weight, but I believe your ratings are way off.

Not to poke at you, but why do you believe I am way off?

Lidas wrote:

bestrafer7 wrote: Tomas Tatar:
- Potential should be -14, -15. He is another highly regarded player in the Red Wings system. He wasn't expected to even be considered for a contract this season, but was awarded a contract after a stellar rookie camp and training camp.

-15 could give him way too high potential. I have actually re-rated all players with -15 (and -14,-13). I now only give players who are not old enough to have been drafted those ratings. I dont want the DB to be too randomized. Im using Hockeysfuture for PA ratings, and they rate him with -7 PA.

Understandable. Thanks for clearing up you stance on potential.

I will say that I don't necessarily agree with hockeysfuture's ratings all the time.

Lidas wrote:
I havent touched the affiliations. I havent decided what to do, but I want to keep the game as realistic as possible. When managing Edmonton wouldnt it be possible take control of the ECHL teams, dump their players, and in that way create spots for your players? Player development shouldnt be hampered since Springfield still have the same training facilities.

Well realistically the Oilers have an AHL affiliate . Springfield has the same training facilities, but they quickly loose the tranining staff to higher leagues. Also it wouldn't be very realistic to have a team full of AHL players in the ECHL, we would tear it up every season. Not to mention that half the players you send down there would request a trade based upon the fact you obviously don't value them, since they expect to be in the AHL.

I realize that there are no open affiliates obviously, however, there is no reason why the Oilers can't be given joint affiliation with Wilksberry and Hamilton (both teams which they have been affiliated with previously). It would solve the most immediate problem, that being the Oilers roster woes in 2.0.

bestrafer7 wrote:

Lidas wrote:

bestrafer7 wrote: Adam Almquist:
- The Name should be Adam Almqvist
- Gained weight over the off season and he is now 83kg.
- Adam's potential should be changed to -14. Hakan Andersson said this about Almqvist "If it all came down to hockey sense, he probably would have been a first-round pick. The hockey sense is something else. It's as good as I've seen in many years". He currently leads the SuperElite league with 29 points in just 13 games for the HV71 U-20 team.
- Mental Adjustments - Anticipation (11 to 15), Decisions (11 to 16), Vision (12 to 18)
- Technical Adjustments - Movement (9 to 12), Passing (9 to 14), Slapshot (7 to 10)

I fixed the name and weight, but I believe your ratings are way off.

Not to poke at you, but why do you believe I am way off?

I'm not Lidas but I'm going to throw in my 2 cents. Almqvist is a 7th round pick and not even among Detroit's top 20 prospects on Hockey's Future. I just think it's a little much to give him the mental attributes of an NHL star at this point. Those 3 attribute changes you suggested (Anticipation, Decisions, and Vision) could make this guy a star and if not, pretty close. And to put his his Passing to 14 as well? He'd probably be at least a 2nd pairing defenseman on most NHL teams. It just seems like too much too quick for a guy that's not even in Detroit's top 20 prospects.

I've just seen this, but Philippe Cornet is not Oilers' property in the game. In fact, in the DB, there are no rights whatsoever (Not even for his junior team).

I'll have to check it out once I get home (to make sure), but just a little heads up.

bruins72 wrote:

bestrafer7 wrote:

Lidas wrote: I fixed the name and weight, but I believe your ratings are way off.

Not to poke at you, but why do you believe I am way off?

I'm not Lidas but I'm going to throw in my 2 cents. Almqvist is a 7th round pick and not even among Detroit's top 20 prospects on Hockey's Future. I just think it's a little much to give him the mental attributes of an NHL star at this point. Those 3 attribute changes you suggested (Anticipation, Decisions, and Vision) could make this guy a star and if not, pretty close. And to put his his Passing to 14 as well? He'd probably be at least a 2nd pairing defenseman on most NHL teams. It just seems like too much too quick for a guy that's not even in Detroit's top 20 prospects.

That is way I said I don't trust Hockeysfuture. They don't even have Almqvist's page done on hockeysfuture. Another reason he is not on that list is because he is very far down the defensive depth chart, but that does not mean he is on the bottom of the talent pool. Look at what Hakan Andersson, the Wings top European scout, had to say about him:

"Great hockey sense. If it all came down to hockey sense, he probably would have been a first-round pick."
"The hockey sense is something else. It's as good as I've seen in many years."

"On the offensive blue line he can really control the power play, He's calm with the puck and he has a very good first pass out of his zone. When forwards find open ice, the puck is on the tape."

"He had some great games in the playoffs, That just strengthened my feel that this was a player I'd like to get at some point."

Here are his strengths:
An offensively skilled defenseman. Almqvist has top-notch hockey sense and passing ability. Has the ability to turn the game quickly with long and distinct passes. Puts up a lot of points from the blueline, where his set-up ability and hard point shot comes in handy. Makes smart decisions. Not afraid to take a hit.

Weaknesses:
On the downside, Almqvist needs to improve his skating skills and even more so his strength and fill out his frame. Although being undersized, he likes to play the body at times, but his game would improve with better size and strength. Average skater who needs to pick it up, something that should come along with added leg strength

- To Note here: Since this write up, Almqvist has gained more than 15lbs and he is now sitting at 5'10" and 183lbs. Brian Rafalski is 5'10" and 191lbs. Almqvist is starting to build his musculature.

- "The talent is there," Andersson said. "We can fix the other stuff."



Almqvist was just signed on November 3rd to HV-71. A four year deal including this season.

"Adam is the next man of talent who have the opportunity to play a-team hockey. Adam has great qualities and will become a man of the future, "said sports director Greg Johnson.

He is currently playing with the Swedish U18 team in Canada.

That just tells me that the Detroit organization likes him. He still went in the 7th round of the draft. He might be another late round gem (and Detroit sure does have a knack for finding them) but it's a little to early to say that he is. I think it's better play it conservative for now until he's developed more.

I think Tomas Plekanec could use a slight upgrade. He has been the Canadiens' top player this year with his great two-way play; he really is a hard worker who isn't afraid of traffic and who uses his speed and smarts well. He is too much of a non-factor in the game in my opinion.

I agree with Bruins72. If he went in the seventh round to detroit, that means that every other team thought there were about 7 other better players in the draft. As for the head scout's opinion on him, he's a little biased don't you think? If he came out and said "Well he has no real redeaming qualities at all, he'll be lucky to break into the AHL", how long do you think he would keep his job considering it was his pick? Don't get me wrong, I love my team too, but you gotta take a step back from the kool-aid stand every now and then.

You also have to remember that not every european defenseman can transistion to the smaller ice, they have much less room to work, both on the power play, and in getting the puck out of the zone. Let's see how he does this season, then his ratings could increase based upon acutal production.

If you feel that he's that player and want to play the game like that, you can always make the edits to the database for yourself as well. I've been known to do that with my Oilers from time to time when I believed that the ratings were a bit out. Might have to try it again with Penner as a Superstar .

Penner is a good example to relate this too though. He's currently tied for 3rd in the league in scoring. By the logic you present here, we should raise all his stats by 5 (since in the current rosters he's a decent top six forward, not a superstar). But, who's to say he's not just on a streak and will end the season with 60 points. Until at least the trade deadline I don't expect any real changes to him, since he needs to prove that this isn't just a streak. Mabye by the trade deadline, if he still is running at a point a game pace or better he'll get a bump.

BlazingWing wrote:I've just seen this, but Philippe Cornet is not Oilers' property in the game. In fact, in the DB, there are no rights whatsoever (Not even for his junior team).

I'll have to check it out once I get home (to make sure), but just a little heads up.

You're right. I was on the Oilers website last night, and he was listed there as "In The System".

Did we have someone doing the research for the Oilers? If not I could volunteer for it. I didn't volunteer before because I had assume someone was already doing them.

Ok, I checked it out.

He's definately not Oilers' property, which he should.

But what bothers me is that he has no rights in the DB, yet it says he's Huskies' property in-game (which he is). Not a big deal, I can fix it myself, just pointing that out.

One last thing while I'm at it, since he was a 5th round pick, shouldn't he be a 25th round pick in-game?

Just trying to help out

Couple of things from the Wild

John Scott played wing earlier this season, and as he is the backup enforcer I doubt this will be a one time thing. he should be eligible at LW as a tertiary position with the lowest rating (competent?) that will make him eligible.

Cal Clutterbuck- he set the record for hits in a season. Not sure how high I would make it, I'll leave that up to you as the expert, but it does seem like it would be higher.

Hits are the absolute most ridiculously recorded stat in hockey. It is a team stats guy in each building that records what a hit is. it is soooooo subjective. Last week I watch Canucks-Wild game in Minnesota and Clutterbuck gets credited with 5 hits by the Wild stat guy watching for hits. From what I could tell, this included a play where Alex Edler bumps Clutterbuck while Clutterbuck has the puck.

The objective of a hit, and what should be categorized as a hit has to be standardized across the league...until it is....number of hits is a useless stat to tell anyone in EHM how well a guy hits. "A hit is a play with the body that SEPARATES the opposing player from the puck".

Yes Cal is aggressive, and Cal gets some hits...but really only about 1/2 of his hits are categorized in my mind as hits. It is funny how his hit stat is alot higher for home games than road. Same for Matt Cooke.

As much as I love what the hits stat *could*, I've got to agree with you on what it is right now.

Hey!

I made some research and there is a few tips for SM-league:


Too good players in this roster(2.0):
Petri Kokko
Toni Dahlman
Jani Rita
Janne Hauhtonen
Ari Ahonen
Jussi Timonen
Patrik Nevalainen
Jari Kauppila
Joni Yli-Torkko
Aki Berg
Ville Nieminen
Aleksis Ahlqvist
Janne Lahti

Too bad players in this roster(2.0):
Toni Kähkönen
Ville Lajunen
Jarkko A. Immonen
Aleksi Laakso
Jerry Ahtola !!!
Mikael Granlund
Joonas Kemppainen
Markus Seikola
Marko Anttila
Jesse Niinimäki
Colby Genoway
Ville Korhonen
Joonas Rask
Pekka Tuokkola
Sami Vatanen
Ossi Saarinen
Teemu Eronen
Mika Järvinen
Adam Andersson !!!
Tuomas Kiiskinen
Atte Ohtamaa
Tomi Pekkala
Antti Raanta
Petri Vehanen
Charlie Cook
Janne Keränen
Justin Morrison
Kurtis McLean
Miikka Tuomainen
Juha Uotila
Petr Pohl
Tero Koskiranta
Atte Engren
Michal Birner !!!
Darcy Campbell
Antti Erkinjuntti
Mike Radja
Harri Säteri
Harri Ilvonen
Jonas Enlund
Jori Lehterä !!!
Jussi Rynnäs
Dan Iliakis
Marko Luomala
Sakari Salminen
Tommi Huhtala
Mika Niemi
Teemu Hartikainen
Joonas Donskoi
Jesse Jyrkkiö
Jere Sallinen
Matias Myttynen
Ilmari Pitkänen
Juuso Rajala
Joonas Koskinen
Antti Kangasniemi

Long list, but especially young players are too bad now.
!!! = very good player

You can check statistics for example www.eliteprospects.com




a Few changes in coaches:

Ässät:
+ Karri Kivi (assistant coach)
- Jussi Hirvonen (available)
- Mika Pieniniemi (available)

HIFK:
+ Kari Jalonen (head coach)

HPK:
+ Jussi Tapola (assistant coach)
- Timo Lehkonen (available)

Ilves:
+ Heikki Mälkiä (head coach)
- Juha Pajuoja (Ilves jr.)

Jokerit:
- Ismo Lehkonen (KooKoo)

KalPa
+ Kimmo Kapanen (assistant coach)

Kärpät:
+ Matti Alatalo (head coach)
+ Harri Hakkarainen (assistant coach)
+ Petri Karjalainen (assistant coach)
- Mikko Hakkarainen (available)

Pelicans:
+ Mika Toivola (head coach)
- Jussi Hirvonen (available)

TPS:
+ Kai Suikkanen (head coach)
+ Riku-Petteri Lehtonen (retired player, assistant coach)
+ Hannu Rautala (assistant coach)
- Kalle Kaskinen (available)

Tappara:
+ Aleksandr Barkov (assistant coach)
+ Petri Mattila (assistant coach)
- Pauli Järvinen (available)



Some transfers:
Teemu Elomo --> Herning
Ilkka Vaarasuo --> Jukurit
Jari-Pekka Pajula --> available
Vladimir Ryzhkov --> available
Boris Gazur --> K-Laser

Lukko has changed arena name from DNA Areena to Äijänsuo-areena.


Farm teams:
JYP --> D-team
Ilves --> LeKi
Tappara --> LeKi
Pelicans --> HeKi
Kärpät --> Hokki
SaiPa --> Jukurit
HPK --> SaPKo
TPS --> TuTo
Jokerit --> K-Vantaa
HIFK --> K-Vantaa
Blues --> K-Vantaa
Lukko --> FPS

If this can some be help, that's good.

batdad wrote:Hits are the absolute most ridiculously recorded stat in hockey. It is a team stats guy in each building that records what a hit is. it is soooooo subjective. Last week I watch Canucks-Wild game in Minnesota and Clutterbuck gets credited with 5 hits by the Wild stat guy watching for hits. From what I could tell, this included a play where Alex Edler bumps Clutterbuck while Clutterbuck has the puck.

The objective of a hit, and what should be categorized as a hit has to be standardized across the league...until it is....number of hits is a useless stat to tell anyone in EHM how well a guy hits. "A hit is a play with the body that SEPARATES the opposing player from the puck".

Yes Cal is aggressive, and Cal gets some hits...but really only about 1/2 of his hits are categorized in my mind as hits. It is funny how his hit stat is alot higher for home games than road. Same for Matt Cooke.

Not to be rude but what does this have to do with the topic? Its not like I demanded his hit rating be a "20." All I did was make a suggestion that it should be higher. Lidas can choose to take my advice or not.

Never said you did imply it should go to twenty. Was just pointing out to all that the hit stat in the NHL is it's most problematic stat (well that and finding an accurate way to depict a goalie's success depending on team and style of play etc). Just making the point that although Clutterbuck hits a fair number of times according to NHL stats...that these NHL stats are not the way to go about rating him in the game. He does not always hit hard, and in fact many times he hits poorly or illegally or needlessly. He is nowhere near as effective a hitter as say Chris Pronger or Niklas Kronwall or any other umpteen guys I could suggest. In fact, when I look at his hit number in my game of 14...I think that is at the upper echelon of what he is capable of. Maybe 15, maybe 12. So it looks good to me....

WallyWallcakes wrote:

BlazingWing wrote:I've just seen this, but Philippe Cornet is not Oilers' property in the game. In fact, in the DB, there are no rights whatsoever (Not even for his junior team).

I'll have to check it out once I get home (to make sure), but just a little heads up.

You're right. I was on the Oilers website last night, and he was listed there as "In The System".

Added!

lapaz wrote:Hey!

I made some research and there is a few tips for SM-league:


Too good players in this roster(2.0):
Petri Kokko
Toni Dahlman
Jani Rita
Janne Hauhtonen
Ari Ahonen
Jussi Timonen
Patrik Nevalainen
Jari Kauppila
Joni Yli-Torkko
Aki Berg
Ville Nieminen
Aleksis Ahlqvist
Janne Lahti

Too bad players in this roster(2.0):
Toni Kähkönen
Ville Lajunen
Jarkko A. Immonen
Aleksi Laakso
Jerry Ahtola !!!
Mikael Granlund
Joonas Kemppainen
Markus Seikola
Marko Anttila
Jesse Niinimäki
Colby Genoway
Ville Korhonen
Joonas Rask
Pekka Tuokkola
Sami Vatanen
Ossi Saarinen
Teemu Eronen
Mika Järvinen
Adam Andersson !!!
Tuomas Kiiskinen
Atte Ohtamaa
Tomi Pekkala
Antti Raanta
Petri Vehanen
Charlie Cook
Janne Keränen
Justin Morrison
Kurtis McLean
Miikka Tuomainen
Juha Uotila
Petr Pohl
Tero Koskiranta
Atte Engren
Michal Birner !!!
Darcy Campbell
Antti Erkinjuntti
Mike Radja
Harri Säteri
Harri Ilvonen
Jonas Enlund
Jori Lehterä !!!
Jussi Rynnäs
Dan Iliakis
Marko Luomala
Sakari Salminen
Tommi Huhtala
Mika Niemi
Teemu Hartikainen
Joonas Donskoi
Jesse Jyrkkiö
Jere Sallinen
Matias Myttynen
Ilmari Pitkänen
Juuso Rajala
Joonas Koskinen
Antti Kangasniemi

Long list, but especially young players are too bad now.
!!! = very good player

You can check statistics for example www.eliteprospects.com




a Few changes in coaches:

Ässät:
+ Karri Kivi (assistant coach)
- Jussi Hirvonen (available)
- Mika Pieniniemi (available)

HIFK:
+ Kari Jalonen (head coach)

HPK:
+ Jussi Tapola (assistant coach)
- Timo Lehkonen (available)

Ilves:
+ Heikki Mälkiä (head coach)
- Juha Pajuoja (Ilves jr.)

Jokerit:
- Ismo Lehkonen (KooKoo)

KalPa
+ Kimmo Kapanen (assistant coach)

Kärpät:
+ Matti Alatalo (head coach)
+ Harri Hakkarainen (assistant coach)
+ Petri Karjalainen (assistant coach)
- Mikko Hakkarainen (available)

Pelicans:
+ Mika Toivola (head coach)
- Jussi Hirvonen (available)

TPS:
+ Kai Suikkanen (head coach)
+ Riku-Petteri Lehtonen (retired player, assistant coach)
+ Hannu Rautala (assistant coach)
- Kalle Kaskinen (available)

Tappara:
+ Aleksandr Barkov (assistant coach)
+ Petri Mattila (assistant coach)
- Pauli Järvinen (available)



Some transfers:
Teemu Elomo --> Herning
Ilkka Vaarasuo --> Jukurit
Jari-Pekka Pajula --> available
Vladimir Ryzhkov --> available
Boris Gazur --> K-Laser

Lukko has changed arena name from DNA Areena to Äijänsuo-areena.


Farm teams:
JYP --> D-team
Ilves --> LeKi
Tappara --> LeKi
Pelicans --> HeKi
Kärpät --> Hokki
SaiPa --> Jukurit
HPK --> SaPKo
TPS --> TuTo
Jokerit --> K-Vantaa
HIFK --> K-Vantaa
Blues --> K-Vantaa
Lukko --> FPS

If this can some be help, that's good.

So what stats should I change? Please be more specific than just "This player is too good/bad"

Staff fixed.

wildiowafan wrote:Couple of things from the Wild

John Scott played wing earlier this season, and as he is the backup enforcer I doubt this will be a one time thing. he should be eligible at LW as a tertiary position with the lowest rating (competent?) that will make him eligible.

Cal Clutterbuck- he set the record for hits in a season. Not sure how high I would make it, I'll leave that up to you as the expert, but it does seem like it would be higher.

Done

While I'm at it Lidas, I got a look at the Shawinigan Cats roster.

Paradis has been converted to a full-time winger since last year, so maybe put him LW/C/RW.

Also for the Cats, Bournival mostly plays W, so maybe put him LW/C instead of a center. That's about it.

Some minor stuff, but just to keep the DB up to date.

wildiowafan wrote:

batdad wrote:Hits are the absolute most ridiculously recorded stat in hockey. It is a team stats guy in each building that records what a hit is. it is soooooo subjective. Last week I watch Canucks-Wild game in Minnesota and Clutterbuck gets credited with 5 hits by the Wild stat guy watching for hits. From what I could tell, this included a play where Alex Edler bumps Clutterbuck while Clutterbuck has the puck.

The objective of a hit, and what should be categorized as a hit has to be standardized across the league...until it is....number of hits is a useless stat to tell anyone in EHM how well a guy hits. "A hit is a play with the body that SEPARATES the opposing player from the puck".

Yes Cal is aggressive, and Cal gets some hits...but really only about 1/2 of his hits are categorized in my mind as hits. It is funny how his hit stat is alot higher for home games than road. Same for Matt Cooke.

Not to be rude but what does this have to do with the topic? Its not like I demanded his hit rating be a "20." All I did was make a suggestion that it should be higher. Lidas can choose to take my advice or not.

I have to agree with batdad, the hits statistic is pure bunk. Not only that, it doesn't matter how many hits someone throws, it doesn't mean they are a great hitter. Would you give someone huge scorings stats because they have hundreds of shots, but only 10 goals? Scott Stevens never led the league in hits (as far as i know), but when he did throw one they were devestating, that's why he had a 20 in hits. I've watched clutterbuck, he is one of those players that runs around and tries to hit anything that moves. He's not very effective at actually laying out a hit though. Show me some game changing hits from him, and I would agree to a stat increase, as it is, i think he is where he belongs, a bit player.