EHM The Blue Line

Yeah, unfortunately it's an "all or nothing" kind of deal. If you let the head coach control training, he controls every aspect of it. I've never cared for how the head coach handles it though... even if he didn't change who runs which types of training. You seem to end up with a good number of your players stuck on General training and then a few others are put on Offensive Skill or Defensive Skill and they stay there the whole season.

Hmm, ok, well thanks for the answers. I imagine eventually I will take over training properly, but for the time being I shall leave it up to the Head Coach whilst I get to grips with other areas of the game.

You people got Gaborik hurt with your 3 intensive, 3 medium training regime.. first day and out 2 weeks.

asakuj wrote:You people got Gaborik hurt with your 3 intensive, 3 medium training regime.. first day and out 2 weeks.

I seriously don't think you can blame that on the training as the frequency of injuries doesn't seem to be that much increased with the 3 intensive, 3 medium. Heck, I even use 4 intensive when I feel for it but that will increase the risk for injuries.
I haven't checked but I guess that Gaborik got a really high injury proneness, just bad luck. I had Forsberg (full injury proneness) going on a really tough training program with only two minor injuries for three seasons.

I agree with visualdarkness. I've been using 3 Intensive and 4 Medium (I like to set goaltending to Medium as well because it helps positioning). I rarely end up with injuries. I've seen more people have injuries due to over-playing their top players than I have seen from over-training.

Yeah it is just Gaborik and his injury prone rating in the game. Sorry dude...but I had him for 5 seasons using that training regimen and never lost him once in a practice. Twice in games...but neve rfrom practice.

You have to be careful with the condition of the athlete as well..if he gets down to 95% you have to check his individual screen to see where he is at on a daily basis. Sometimes it will say "exhausted" or "needs a rest". I also now check each and every player after each and every game because sometimes they have "Potential ----- injury" and if they have that...they will get hurt in practice. Once I started doing this my injury issues dropped about 75%.

I would lose tons of guys in playoffs because they were tired and get hurt in practice. now that I check them every day...I hardly get any injuries, and rarely if ever do I get a long term one (over a week).

As batdad said, most injuries in caused by bringing down players too low in the condition percentage. If you keep playing and train players who is under 85% you will get a multitude of severe injuries no matter the program, but keep track of the conditioning you'll minimize injuries to a level lower than an unsupervised standard program.

When my team lacks depth I often play players with a conditioning under 90%, but I do, exactly like batdad, keep track of underlying injuries and even asks my physios in extreme cases. Your players with low injury proneness will even survive this extreme exhaustion without drawing injuries (at least any lengthy ones), if you don't have really bad luck.

Doing this things on a regular basis don't take any more time than checking the form of the players but will maximize their abilities while keeping them healthy. It's a win-win situation (that isn't time-consuming!) if you ask me.

I just read the whole thread because I'm facing some curious stat-drops and I think that some input could be useful

First of all I want to contribute something to the discussion about the "positioning-bug"....

In german the training is called somewhat like "denying goals" or "defense of the goal" and forgetting that EHM is not traduced too well I think that this term describes the goalie-coaches work pretty good, a D-men has to coordinate his defensive movement with his goaltender (therefor you need to know how your goalie moves and acts) to be able to block shots and to not screen him unvoluntarily.... I don't really know how a real training works but I suppose that D-Men practice together with their goalies rushes against them and of course PK-situation, where good positioning is required on one hand to steal the puck but on the other with the same importance to play as "additional goalie" and help out. Well, the only thing I want to say is that it seems pretty realistic to me...

I train my guys depending especially on their icetime and have therefor 5-6 different schedules but I always experience some players dropping a lil bit, i.e there is no way for me in the 16.th challenge to maintain Nilssons stats, he is already mostly orange on his technical stats i have no f.... idea why

And now I experience some significant drops in the physical area of Souray (well he's old already), Gilbert (getting slower and slower !?!?!?!), Hemsky and Penner ......... and Gagner is stagnating a lil bit.

It makes no sense to ask the reason why, cause i think as well as batdad does that there could be 1000 reasons for it, but I would like to ask one little question:

As there are different coaches that possibly suit for one part of the training, please tell me what is better/works for you:
Only the best coach for 1 or multiple coaches for 1 even if one has lower stats than the other!?

I imagine it could be useful to have 2 skating coaches (1 tech 1 cond or 2 general) but in the parts? Does only the highest required attribute count and the second one is only a little assistance to cope with so many players?

Thanks for ur answers....

I use 2 coaches in each section save goaltending. I use 1 there.

And thanks for the goaltending training explanation about the players...I prefer to think that Luongo and Vigneault forced Wellwood to strap on the pads, and they tied him to the posts, letting Salo shoot at him til he learns how he is supposed to play the game. Fear factor training. Learn now about your own zone or DIE!!!

Hey i have a problem and i think its practice related. Ihave some young players/prospects with positioning and pokecheck at around 6 - 7, and 3 to 4 seasons later this stat doesn't change at all. If i for example trade them to any other team in the league (NHL) they improve those two stats (and few others) to around 12 in just few months. Why can't they develop these stats on my team?

Also happens to lots of young players, for example in original DB Ryan Wilson i developed him around 2 years in minors and had 3 physical attributes green and teamwork green in AHL but after i brought him to NHL a year and a half later none of physical attributes are green anymore and bunch of other attributes, some mental are reduced. I traded him to Calgary and few months later he again had same green attributes as in AHL few years back.

I don't really know what to do, it doesn't seem very fair to me. I had Tavares, Bobby Ryan on my team in one dynasty for about 8 years and they had positioning and pokecheck at 6 and 7, When they left my team as free agents few months after joining new team they had much better attributes.

Now there are a bunch of posts in this thread with lots of practice programs but i just don't know which one to pick.

You need to practice them in goaltending...on intense. Watch the positioning rise insane amounts. Each player has different practice schedules that make them tick. Some like all offensive training, and defensively they will only get marginally better. Others respond to intense defensive coaching....depends on the guy and type of player. You have to play around...

But...in the offseason if you practice intense goaltending with your players positioning in particular will increase rapidly.

Tavares, Ryan ....guys whose defense is not going to ever be high level. May get to yellow but rarely if ever green. They are not defensive style players. That would be like trying to train Craig Ludwig to be a goal scorer.

hey guys. what is your opinion about training in the off-season. i've seen some people say it's best to leave all your players on 'resting' until about august, while others say they put them on a hardcore intensive schedule for the entire off-season until training camp starts. what do you think works best?

robotco wrote:hey guys. what is your opinion about training in the off-season. i've seen some people say it's best to leave all your players on 'resting' until about august, while others say they put them on a hardcore intensive schedule for the entire off-season until training camp starts. what do you think works best?

Not trying to be a jerk, but read this whole thread and you will get your answer.

timmy_t wrote:

robotco wrote:hey guys. what is your opinion about training in the off-season. i've seen some people say it's best to leave all your players on 'resting' until about august, while others say they put them on a hardcore intensive schedule for the entire off-season until training camp starts. what do you think works best?

Not trying to be a jerk, but read this whole thread and you will get your answer.

Tis true....I read all 9 pages and gained some valuable insight. When I first started playing this game I messed around with practices, but then I kind of got lazy and just let my coaches do it for me. I am now involved again and hoping to see some changes in the players attributes as well as on the scoresheet.

Yeah, just read the thread and most of your questions will be answered. Also, don't be afraid to experiment.

I have a question about the "youth academy" practice that I saw earlier in this thread. In fact, it could pertain to anything involving a fitness level at intense.

I have a youth practice set up for all players under 24 years old, and I use it with both my NHL and AHL teams. However, I have a few players that can't seem to handle it, and their condition is going down, down, down....in fact, one guy is now at 36%.

What should I do about this? Should I just rest these guys periodically, or should I change their practice and lower the conditioning/skating to medium?

RomaGoth wrote:I have a question about the "youth academy" practice that I saw earlier in this thread. In fact, it could pertain to anything involving a fitness level at intense.

I have a youth practice set up for all players under 24 years old, and I use it with both my NHL and AHL teams. However, I have a few players that can't seem to handle it, and their condition is going down, down, down....in fact, one guy is now at 36%.

What should I do about this? Should I just rest these guys periodically, or should I change their practice and lower the conditioning/skating to medium?

I would rest that guy to get him back to the 90% range for sure. I never have guys practice if they're below 87%. I'm not sure what the "youth academy" practice is and I haven't had a chance to dig through the thread to check it out. Is it a practice regimen that you keep young players on all year? I don't like that sort of practice. You've got to switch it up, at least every couple months. Players get tired of practicing the same thing all the time and it can begin to had an adverse effect. Also, look at how much that player is playing in your games. That can affect his fitness level as much as (if not more than) practice.

bruins72 wrote:

RomaGoth wrote:I have a question about the "youth academy" practice that I saw earlier in this thread. In fact, it could pertain to anything involving a fitness level at intense.

I have a youth practice set up for all players under 24 years old, and I use it with both my NHL and AHL teams. However, I have a few players that can't seem to handle it, and their condition is going down, down, down....in fact, one guy is now at 36%.

What should I do about this? Should I just rest these guys periodically, or should I change their practice and lower the conditioning/skating to medium?

I would rest that guy to get him back to the 90% range for sure. I never have guys practice if they're below 87%. I'm not sure what the "youth academy" practice is and I haven't had a chance to dig through the thread to check it out. Is it a practice regimen that you keep young players on all year? I don't like that sort of practice. You've got to switch it up, at least every couple months. Players get tired of practicing the same thing all the time and it can begin to had an adverse effect. Also, look at how much that player is playing in your games. That can affect his fitness level as much as (if not more than) practice.

I just started the regular season of my first year, so I haven't had the opportunity yet to change up any of the practice routines. The players I named above have not remained in the 90% condition since I started, and I am not sure why.

Are you still in the preseason? I've seen where guys have trouble keeping their condition up until the regular season starts.

bruins72 wrote:Are you still in the preseason? I've seen where guys have trouble keeping their condition up until the regular season starts.

Just ended the preseason, so yeah, it is probably what you are saying. I will see how it goes after the first month of the regular season.

I have tried intensive for everything, for the whole summer and it has improved the stats of my players quite abit. Now I will find out if it does affect my players tiredness wise.

bloc85 wrote:I have tried intensive for everything, for the whole summer and it has improved the stats of my players quite abit. Now I will find out if it does affect my players tiredness wise.

I do everything (including goaltending) intensive for all players all summer and it doesn't cause me any problems. I rest them once they get tired (which usually happens in August, IIRC) and then once September hits and we're getting to training camp time, I switch to a training regimen with 3 intensive and the rest medium. It seems to work for me. Usually around around January my top line forwards and my top few defensemen will start showing up as "could use a rest" after games. Once that happens, I switch those players to General practice (all medium) and they seem fine.

I also rested my players for 2 weeks at the beginning of August, then once the training camp starts I put them on their regular training schedule, depending on what position they are.. Well I'm up to the end of December and the condition of the players is still good. I had 5 day off period at christmas so I decided to give all my players a rest. I'm hoping that will help.

You can leave them on all-intensive throughout the summer and they will be ok. I put them on rest about one week before training camp. (when I get the news item about the team gearing up for training camp)

Also, bruins72, you can rest all of your players after games when they are tired without hurting their development. The key is to place them on resting immediately after the game (when it's "eve" or "pm"), and then return them to their regular practice schedule in the "am."

Finally, I renamed one of the practice slots "Light Day." Skating and Conditioning are on medium, Tactics on intense, and everything else is on light. I use it when my guys are coming back from injury and other times when their condition is less than 90%.

timmy_t wrote: Also, bruins72, you can rest all of your players after games when they are tired without hurting their development. The key is to place them on resting immediately after the game (when it's "eve" or "pm"), and then return them to their regular practice schedule in the "am."

I definitely rest them immediately after the game when they've got the "needs a rest" status and also when I see potential injuries. The thing is, if you see a guy get "needs a rest" after every game, it makes me think he might be getting tired during the games too. So I put him on a lighter (general) training schedule so he doesn't get wiped out before the game is finished. It's more of a performance thing than a development thing.

Good point-