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watts555 wrote:Just wanted to know, with Lidas 1.3 Rosters, should I leave Svensson-Paajarvi and Hedman overseas, or should I sign them and let them play for my farm team?

I took Anton Rodin and signed him and let him play in the ECHL, he tore it up and developed into a core player for my team really quickly. Maybe it will work with those two, maybe not its your call

Hensel wrote:

watts555 wrote:Just wanted to know, with Lidas 1.3 Rosters, should I leave Svensson-Paajarvi and Hedman overseas, or should I sign them and let them play for my farm team?

I took Anton Rodin and signed him and let him play in the ECHL, he tore it up and developed into a core player for my team really quickly. Maybe it will work with those two, maybe not its your call

Same thing happened to me. I've had players develop extremely well in the ECHL.

I've got two OHL guys who have been dominant as 17 and 18 year olds, averaging at least a 9.2 each year. I don't feel like another year of juniors is really necessary and I feel like they could help out on the 3rd pairing or 3rd line, but I'm always scared to throw them in there and screw them up. Any advice? All my scouts say they're ready to make an immediate impact.

sensguy wrote:I've got two OHL guys who have been dominant as 17 and 18 year olds, averaging at least a 9.2 each year. I don't feel like another year of juniors is really necessary and I feel like they could help out on the 3rd pairing or 3rd line, but I'm always scared to throw them in there and screw them up. Any advice? All my scouts say they're ready to make an immediate impact.

If they're doing that well, you might as well give them a shot at the NHL level.

I remember having the same "problem" with a 19 year old that I had drafted. He absolutely dominated in junior with something like a 9.6 rating, but I wasn't quite sure if I wanted to call him up or not(I'm quite cautious with my prospects ). I decided to let him play the season, and he got 70 points splitting time on the 2nd and 3rd lines.

sensguy wrote:I've got two OHL guys who have been dominant as 17 and 18 year olds, averaging at least a 9.2 each year. I don't feel like another year of juniors is really necessary and I feel like they could help out on the 3rd pairing or 3rd line, but I'm always scared to throw them in there and screw them up. Any advice? All my scouts say they're ready to make an immediate impact.

Personally I don't like taking my prospects out of juniors unless I know they are going to play on one of my top 2 lines. If I were you I would let him stay in juniors for another year so he can get alot of ice time and continue to dominate. I can't remember ever screwing up a prospect by leaving him in juniors too long but I have ruined quite a few by bringing them to the NHL too early.

my rule for prospects is that if they are doing well in Europe, sign em and let them tear it up in the ECHL for a year or two and then call em up to the A for a year and then give em a chance at the big show. For NA prospects, I let them play in juniors/college until they are 19 (only if they are ripping it up) and then sign them and give them a shot in the NHL. If their doing just average in junior, I wait until they are 20 and can play for the farm. Its a system that works like a gem.

P.S. Jordan Hensel (Peninsula Eagles) beauty prospect. Ends up going mid/late 2nd round in the NHL draft. If you are managing a team in the W i highly reccomend signing him and let him develop well. He was 46th ranked skater in my game.

Lately, if my prospects are doing bad in Europe and have CHL rights I've tried signing them and sending them to their Canadian junior team. It seems to be going okay so far.

I have th second pick in the 2007 draft who should I get. My scouts sat Maxim Kiminksy but I am thinking Cam fowler. Any insite?

DJP19 wrote:I have th second pick in the 2007 draft who should I get. My scouts sat Maxim Kiminksy but I am thinking Cam fowler. Any insite?

I guess you mean Kitsyn?
Take Fowler. Scoring wingers are easier to get than a game-breaking d-man

kitsyn thats it sorry, Im probably going to take fowler. I am in need of defence, especially offence.

What do you suggest when you have a few young players (19 and 20) all averaging 9's in the AHL? but you don't quite have room for them yet. just leave them and let them tear up the AHL for a year?

binchnunker wrote:What do you suggest when you have a few young players (19 and 20) all averaging 9's in the AHL? but you don't quite have room for them yet. just leave them and let them tear up the AHL for a year?

I would play them now. If they don't do well at NHL level you can still send them back for more experience.

If they're not going to get sufficient playing time in the NHL, I'd leave them in the AHL. Then after the season you've got to make some decisions. Do you want to make room for them on your NHL roster or keep them in the AHL for another season?

Since that last message I have progressed, and a couple of those players have come back down to earth and are now mid 7's, 1 however is still a 9.1 through 30 games

I have a few contracts running out at the end of the season, includng #1 and #3 centers, #2LW as well as my # 3 and 4 D-men. although I may need to re-sign my #1 Center as there is no one ready for that role. I have Colin Wilson at 2nd line center and he has 12+42 and 8.98 Av R (is also my #1 PP Center so Parise can go to LW on PP2 for balance)

Does anyone have a sort of benchmark on how to judge potential from a mechanical perspective?

To clarify, I'm playing a sort of debug/cheating game because I'm going to edit in some players of my own. I've looked at some charts people have put up for things like potential etc. However, in game- much to my delight, things don't seem to work out just like the numbers. For instance, using the updated unfaking from the breakaway forums Alexander Sugbolov (or w/e) is currently leading the Flames in points, something like 47 in 33 games. Crosby only has 42. It is a fantasy draft- dunno if that affects it, but Suggy only has a potential of 127 and is currently a 105 in ability.

Is there any reason for that kind of thing happening- is it random, and is it possible for players to way outplay or underplay their numbers? Is there any pattern to this- I mean, I've only simmed half a season maybe he fades or something. Any input on your experiences and such?

My Tavares has 171 PA and now CA too, he scores monster. 1480 points in last 10 seasons, and one season he played only 50 games.

Today I learned how good it can be to send players back down to OHL/whatever their junior league is.
In the last days of November I started making the biggest decisions inside my Thrashers' Rosters.
I had two hot young players on roster; E. Kane and Bogosian, I had dumped Kane to AHL earlier where he had player semi-well, but decided to send him to Juniors for the rest of the season, and his ratio is now like 8.7 and he's got way more points than games played, but the best of all is Bogosian's success..
He is good on Atlanta IRL but he had played quite bad to be honest, so I sent him to OHL, and ever since I sent him down he has been the OHL player of the week. Honestly.
His ratio is 9.9 now so I can't even wait to see him in the NHL in the next season

I tried searching for this but didn't find any results... I was wondering if anyone has had success in finding "gems" in the late rounds 5-7 or even the best player you've drafted at all in any round but 1st or 2nd.

For me I'm not really that far into my seasons and drafting yet but I've always like to hear about stories in the NHL where stars were found in the late rounds(ie: Zetterberg, Datsyuk) obviously you'll probably have to develop them slowly. Sooo has anyone had any success stories finding really good players in the late rounds in your drafts? If so I'd like to hear them!

Check the regen thread.

We were just discussing how to scout the lower rounds for good talent.

I've nabbed some awesome players in the 5th, panned out to be a franchise keeper, few 2nd line players, the odd 1st liner.

I'm pretty thrilled if I even get a 3rd liner out of the bottom rounds.

Had some pretty huge flops from my top picks before, most notably one who looked like the Forsberg regen, but just failed in general.

Okay guys, finished my first draft a while ago, from the top of my head: Taylor Hall, Maksim Kitsyn, Adam Sedlak, Nicklas Champion (not sure of his first name, he's a goalie anyways), Gabriel Lemieux, Joonas Donskoi. Don't remember any others. Experiences?
+Question: Maksim Kitsyn is playing as a 1st liner in Chicago Wolves (AHL), and his stats are 1 point per game. Is it good for him to keep him down there or should I let him play in ECHL and expect even more points? His Russian so I can't send him to juniors.

Hey Guys

I have a 20 year old goalie in the AHL (Im playing as the Blues) whos average rating is 8.5-8.8 and his rating when he was with his junior team was 9.6 for like 3 seasons

How should I develop him? Should I leave him in the AHL for 1-2 more seasons?

nickote316 wrote:Hey Guys

I have a 20 year old goalie in the AHL (Im playing as the Blues) whos average rating is 8.5-8.8 and his rating when he was with his junior team was 9.6 for like 3 seasons

How should I develop him? Should I leave him in the AHL for 1-2 more seasons?

I always seem to screw up my goalies for whatever reason. They are hard to develop I'd be interested in some pointers as well.

I leave them there until they're 22-23. Unless it's like Marty Brodeur regen, I won't touch him until he's at LEAST 22. Just me though.

My primary keeper injured at the first exhibition game, and since I had lost my secondary was lost to free agency in the offseason, I had to use this guy I had drafted two years earlier, I like to play a lot of exhibitions and in those 10 games we didn't lose once! 19 year wonder's called Nicklas Champion.

Depends on what you have on the main team, but with "special" goalies such as Hasek, Brodeur, Lebongo, regen, and a few others you can bring em up young. For the most part I try to leave them for 2-3 seasons in AHL.