EHM The Blue Line

batdad wrote:
I am not seeing much from them in terms of making the UI work more intuitively and that worries me as a potential player. Of course, why would they care about what I think? They know I have paid my 30 bucks for the game already...and now are looking to get others to pay their 30. (BEING A BIT FACETIOUS HERE GUYS SO DO NOT JUMP)

batdad wrote: And backhandedly here...but this game was in Private Beta prior to the pre release. Not sure what was actually done there, but there are alot of things that you think they may have solved back in the private beta. No one reported those crashes back then? No one reported the clunkiness of the UI? No one reported no draft after the first season?

It seems to me that the private beta was not getting much help in there. Unless it was amazingly weak on private beta release. Because this sure seems to have a low starting level in the public beta.

Am I wrong? TOtally out to lunch? If I am I am fine and good with that. And I would apologize for it.

I should not have preordered.I have not touched it since the first day of the 2nd part of the beta release, when I downloaded it over the first release.

Alessandro wrote:

batdad wrote:
I am not seeing much from them in terms of making the UI work more intuitively and that worries me as a potential player. Of course, why would they care about what I think? They know I have paid my 30 bucks for the game already...and now are looking to get others to pay their 30. (BEING A BIT FACETIOUS HERE GUYS SO DO NOT JUMP)

It's not the SI Games - they are good guys and they actually listen to their audience. Much more than the SI guys (it helps that the company is their own company, while Riz and others didn't own the SI Games/SEGA so they were more limited)

blueshirtnParis wrote:Hi,

Not sure this belongs here but I just bought the FHM Beta and cant sim past the first game. It keeps crashing. I am running Window 7.

Thanks

Are you coaching a team or are unemployed? You'll probably need to report this via the OOTP Bugs Forum. They'll need plenty of details. There will be a crash.txt log file saved in your My Documents/OOTP/FHM folder - that may have some info about the crash (the folder structure I mentioned is off the top of my head - I'm not able to check the exact location at the moment).

Ben013 wrote:I'm having crash issues too I first got with the Belfast Giants to 2 of December and it just shows the refreshing logo and windows then just shuts it down argh, tried playing a new game but only got as far in it as the 8th of October argh.
There aren't any patches I can download or anything?

Ben013 wrote:I only downloaded it last week anyother tips lol I realky wish I could continue to play

Ben013 wrote:Hmm will see if I can check that just saw how some people gave been able to complete seasons do you think it can depend on your pc too

Ben013 wrote:eSellerate - exit with code eWeb_InstallEngineFromResource returned 0x20010000 (SDK_LATEST_ENGINE_ALREADY_INSTALLED)
Successfully run ESELLERATE_eSellerInstall
eSellerate - exit with code eWeb_ValidateActivation returned 0x20050001 (VALIDATEACTIVATION_MACHINE_MATCH)

Thats the error in the folder if that helps you guys

Thanks Ben

Heh Batdad was being facetious - not completely serious! I think we all appreciate how much the devs do listen and how honest they are (eg mentioning the hardcoded issue). I think the general feeling amongst myself, Batdad and perhaps a couple of others is that purchasing v1 is as much offering financial support to the devs as it is actually purchasing the game.
The decisive factor for me (and it seems to be the same for Batdad) is what happens between now and September. Will the UI be much improved? Will there be a decent AI? Will tactics be improved? What missing game rules will be added? Will Sebastian be able to devote all of his time to FHM or will he once again be diverted to iOOTP?

Ben013 wrote:Whereabouts do I go to for the official OOTP forums to get this bug issue looked into further?

Thanks Ben

newsguyone wrote: I don't think it's asking too much to ask OOTP guys to give us the ability to EASILY find the information in this game with intuitive filtering and sortability.

It's a strange game coming from the OOTP guys...

JeffR wrote:Just a general update on the crashes being reported here and in other threads:

We're at the point where the game is nearly crash-free when there's no human intervention - if you start a game unemployed and just keep simulating games, it'll be quite a while before you see a crash. However, that's not particularly useful if you actually want to play the game, which is pretty much the whole point, right?

The vast majority of current crash problems are caused by bugs in the way user-generated transactions are being handled - you make a trade, sign a free agent, or do something else with a player and it breaks something. Problem is, the crash doesn't happen right away, it occurs when you get to a game or event that tries to execute and gets broken data. So the trick is tracking the crash back to the original problem.

Therefore, Sebastian is going to do what he did to get the AI-based transactions cleaned up: set up some logging functions to track what's happening with the user-made transactions. That should make it a little easier to find out what's going wrong. However, it probably won't be fixed as quickly as the early AI-transaction based crashes were. There's only one human player in the game vs. hundreds of AI's, so it may take a while to test out every possible transaction in every circumstance imaginable. Once the log-functions make it into a game update (no firm date for the next one yet), we may need to start collecting saves from crashed games from you guys to help the process along.

So, there won't be a quick-fix for most of the crashes, unfortunately. But we've got the ball rolling on the long, methodical process of rooting them all out.

jhcjobpb wrote:What I REALLY would like FHM to have is that the mugshots would show up where you make your lines. And that isn't possible at the moment as they have ALL the possible lines on one page (which is confusing). I'd like all 4 lines or powerplay only, shorthanded lines only showing on one page. I'd like to have for example "the regular 4 lines" showing with the player pictures (and name of course), and and then there's room for something more like points, handedness, positions, morale/mood etc. And this wasn't in EHM either, so this is a new idea, and if I may say so myself... it's a good idea. Who's with me?

archibalduk wrote:

jhcjobpb wrote:What I REALLY would like FHM to have is that the mugshots would show up where you make your lines. And that isn't possible at the moment as they have ALL the possible lines on one page (which is confusing). I'd like all 4 lines or powerplay only, shorthanded lines only showing on one page. I'd like to have for example "the regular 4 lines" showing with the player pictures (and name of course), and and then there's room for something more like points, handedness, positions, morale/mood etc. And this wasn't in EHM either, so this is a new idea, and if I may say so myself... it's a good idea. Who's with me?

Yeah, I agree with you there. I'd love to see a more polished tactics screen. I would be surprised if there weren't refinements to this screen before release.

Player pics would be a neat touch (it's not all that ambitious either, really) - or at least a jersey icon with the players' numbers on them. Just something to make it a bit quicker and easier to look at the line ups.

batdad wrote:OTher people thougths---Really what do you think about the UI? Are you happy with it? Do you get used to it, or does it need to change?