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B. Stinson wrote:The expectations don't directly control a teams performance, but what I was getting at before is that it does control how good or bad those performances look. For example, you're picking apart the US trying to explain why they're playing the way they are - almost as if you expected different from them.

Basically what I'm saying is that it doesn't have to be arrogance or "America = Number 1" that's causing them to lose - it could simply be that they just aren't good enough to compete, and the high expectations of the fans are what's making that look like a shocker... which leads to them being placed under the microscope. That's why no one is talking about Slovakia or Belarus - no one is shocked by what they've done, despite them having a bad record.
I'm not saying that US teams don't have high expectations attached to them. I'm not saying that's part of why it looks as bad as it does. But that doesn't change the fact that, in many cases, it IS as bad as it looks. The US losing to Canada in the World Baseball Classic is ridiculous. Jason Bay and Justin Morneau may be good baseball players, but they certainly shouldn't lead a team to victory against Roger Clemons, Derek Jeter, Chipper Jones, Alex Rodriguex, Mark Texieira, Johnny Damon and Vernon Wells. Same with basketball--Dwayne Wade v. Lazaros Papadopoulous? That's a BAD loss, no matter how high expectations are. One of the key points of what I'm saying is that the US has high expectations because they've earned it in the past, especially in sports like baseball and basketball. They have high expectations because their teams have so much talent. Therefore, when they lose, with all that talent, and all that money, it's a BAD loss regardless.

When Belarus beat Sweden in the Olympics, they were heroes, the Swedes were denied entrance to their country. Why? Yes, expectations were high for the Swedes and they failed to live up to them. BUT, these expectations don't just materialize out of nowhere. The point is that US teams don't have an excuse not to live up to expectations in so many cases that when those teams fail, you have to ask yourself what's working behind the scenes. You can't POSSIBLY tell me that the US basketball and baseball teams in international tournaments lack the "talent to compete," so that argument doesn't really mean much. The only other answer that I can see is arrogance.
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US vs Canada semi final just started, FYI
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I hate the shootout. darn it is a sucky way to end a great game.
Bet you are having some mixed feelings though Minstrel. TOEWS, TOEWS, TOEWS. Now it is obviously time for Chicago to trade him. Gotta love Toews...in 2 games vs the USA 4 penalty shot goals, no misses. WOW! :-D

Oh, and phew! GO CANADA. I may hate J Johnson, but he played a whale of a hockey game, as did Mueller. Great game!
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Congrats to Canada! Yeah, it sucked that it had to go to a shootout. But Canada killed that key penalty in OT and Price played a great game too. Great game all around.
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What an amazing game. Look out Montreal, Carey Price is coming.
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I have to give a lot of credit to the US kids for their effort. I'm surprised Canada pulled it off (as per my earlier post where I suggested that they haven't had enough time to develop teamwork and it would cost them the gold). Now there's controversy over the shootout order being incorrect and whether or not a goal went in under Price's pads. As much as it might work against the team I'm cheering for, goal reviews really need to adopt the 'common sense' approach as opposed to the 'irrefutable visual evidence' approach. The US team really came together and probably deserved to win but big ups to Canada for coming out on top.
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Let me just be the first to say (here anyway!) GO CANADA!

Awesome game against the Russians! I watched every second of this tournament and I'm so pumped about all the young talent coming into the league.

Minty, you should be so psyched about Jonathon Toews...as Pierre McGuire (who I can't stand) would say - "He's a MONSTER out there for Canada!"

Cheers on the win! :canada: :1st: :joy:
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Does Pierre McGuire ever NOT have anything to say? Shuddup already Pierre...you were a 3rd assistant coach with one of the most talent laden teams in hockey history. What did you really do? My guess---not a heck of alot you need to tell Ulfie, Mario, Jaromir, Barrasso et al in the day. So now, please stop telling us anything about those days.

Oh, and Canada ROCKS the world again. WAHOO!
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Congrats to Canada on a great win. I'm so bummed I wasn't able to slack off at work yesterday to watch the game or the US game. Congrats to the US as well on winning bronze, I think they should be proud for coming back from a bad start to the tournament and getting a medal.

Now, we just need to work on the stupid NHL and those in charge to show ALL the games on regular TV. What would they be showing at that time anyways? Bull Riding? Poker? This is a perfect event to promote the game of hockey by showing what a great sport it is world-wide (not that American's care about that) and the incredible level of talent and energy that these players have. Also, it's a great way for people to see the future stars in the making, much more so than the Little League World Series which gets incredible coverage every year. If people were able to watch how exciting and fun these games are, I think they would have to be rocks not to enjoy them and the sport, and then be able to follow these players into the NHL much like we are able to follow college basketball and football players into their pro sports.

Shame on the NHL and shame on Comcast (who owns Versus) for not realizing a perfect opportunity to sell the game of hockey.
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I didn't get to see as much of this as I'd have liked to... but yeah, Toews was a maniac :joy: I kept seeing him and thinking "Man, I wish we had a young dynamic playmaker like that instead of the duds we always draft" :nodice: before catching myself and breaking into a little jig. :joy: Heh.

Also, luckily for him he won't be ruined by being in the Blackhawks system for long :-D

Is it again time to point out that Carolina should have waited on dealing Johnson? Man is LA chock full O young talent... scary.

Congrats Canada. =D> But really I'm just glad to see that there is so much exciting young talent on both sides of the US/Canada equation.
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