Blackhawks Challenge 9.1 and 9.2 discussion thread

Post by **batdad** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:42 pm

I like the Lombardi deal, cause you give up the most for the least.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:44 pm

batdad wrote:I like the Lombardi deal, cause you give up the most for the least.

LOL! Thanks! I knew I could count on you for an objective opinion.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:47 pm

Oh wait that was a typo...Least for most it should read..

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:51 pm

You don't think Barker might have lots of value in a later trade... maybe for a better 2 way LD? I know it's 2 assets for 2 assets but it's the only deal including Barker. I was thinking that next season I could trade Barker and maybe Keith (once he's dropped from my core) for somebody?

I'm really torn here.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:54 pm

I'm not, but I ain't going to help you either.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:06 pm

I'm leaning towards taking the Sedin deal. That was my initial guy instinct. Those are usually the best to go with.

EDIT:

I did it. I went with the Sedin deal. The other guys were pretty good but I really think Sedin is going to add a lot to my team.

Post by **Danny** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:50 pm

Holy cr*p, both Connolly and Handzus are demanding a 100% payrise for a 2 year extension. ***** greedy ****** **** ****

On the positive side, my PK finally made it to the 80% mark after 22 games

laskey 16 · Post by **laskey 16** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:57 pm

Danny wrote:Holy cr*p, both Connolly and Handzus are demanding a 100% payrise for a 2 year extension. ***** greedy ****** **** ****

On the positive side, my PK finally made it to the 80% mark after 22 games

A 100% payrise?! Never seen anything like that before. I just had my hopes raised and dashed brilliantly by the Capitals. They made me an offer of a 4th pick for Duncan Keith so I negotiated. Just to see if luck was on my side I added Ovechkin and some more from my side. I finally managed to get the Caps' GM's opinion to 'We like the sound of this offer.' or whatever so I make the offer. 2 days later, the offer is of course rejected.

I have never seen a GM say he likes the sond of the offer and then rejected unless it causes them roster issues, which this one did not. Anyone had this type of thing happen to them?

Post by **batdad** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:59 pm

All the time. Especially when it comes to superstars.

laskey 16 · Post by **laskey 16** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:04 pm

Wow, fast reply!

It makes sense that they would reject it, it would have been a terrible deals for them. I just thought it was weird that one minute they liked it and then the next they reject.

One weird thing I noticed trying to do this deal - I think it is probably a bug of some kind. I added Ian White on to my side of the deal and the Caps GM said 'We would need time to consider this offer. However, we would not like to trade a future franchise player like Ian White." or words to that effect. That makes no sense, I would be giving up White, not them!

Post by **Danny** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:05 pm

Yes, I saw this bug happening before. Actually, I even meant to post it but forgot

And yes, both of them are demanding slightly over 4m now, they're currently on 2m p/a contracts.

laskey 16 · Post by **laskey 16** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:11 pm

Another fast reply.

Good to know that it's not just me with that bug, I also had seen it before but not mentioned it. I know one thing, year 2 is going to be harder than year 1. I have of course had to increase the wages of some of my potential UFAs, so I am now way over the TBL cap, and I have so many defensive prospects it is crazy. In my system (NHL/AHL) I have got Cam Barker, Sam Jackson, Patrick McNeill, Brent Seabrook, Marc Staal, Ryan Parent, Dustin Byfuglien, Anton Stralman, Mike Green and Ian White. I have also got the rights to a lot of D men, like Ryan Wilson, Nick Ross to name but a few.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:23 pm

Better get under that cap boy!

laskey 16 · Post by **laskey 16** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:31 pm

Yep. I think Aucoin may be on his way out, as may Visnovsky. I drafted pretty well, anyway, with my 30th pick in the 1st round I chose Kyle Turris. The next day (not on draft day, hold your horses, Mods!) I traded him straight up for Phoenix's Patrick Kane and a 2008 2nd round pick! Madness. I also, got Jakub Voracek, Ryan Wilson, Nick Ross and some others I forget. I am in desparate need of a backup for Niitymaki, and I need to get rid of the burden that is the EHM version of Darcy Tucker, who has only a 3 star trade value.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:40 pm

It's very easy to make some trades the day after the draft. There's certain players that are drafted that first year that other teams regard rather highly and over value for a week or two. If you can figure out a deal in that time, you can make some steals. I got Ovechkin for my Columbus challenge team's second season that way. It's kind of a cheap tactic but it works.

Post by **Danny** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:02 pm

Ok guys I need clarification. There's a player I wanted at the beginning of the season but I couldn't get him without giving up too much. Now he's down long term with an UCL tear and becomes tradeable. However he puts me over the challenge cap. Can I still get him and put him on IR till the next season to stay under the cap ? He's unlikely to play this season anyway.

Call me Lou

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:28 pm

I would say that as long as you trade for him within the allowed trade periods, don't give up a 1st or 2nd rounder, and maintain your core... you should be okay. Does putting him on the IR remove him from your payroll (ie, keep you under the TBL budget for the season)? I can't see why it wouldn't be okay if you're within all the rules.

Post by **Danny** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:33 pm

I'm in December right now so that should be ok. I might have to give up a second rounder, but I have another one. I'm still not completely sure I'd do that, but I want to know whether I'm allowed theoretically or not.
I would think that putting a player on IR does remove all or at least a certain part of his salary from the cap.
Alright I'll wait for someone to confirm that putting him on the IR for the rest of the season allows me to stay under the cap. I can provide exact numbers if necessary.

Post by **Danny** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:05 pm

Actually, forget about that, they still want a first rounder so I'm not gonna do that.

But I'd still need to know how much exactly the compensation for RFA offer sheets for 5-6m is.

white knight · Post by **white knight** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:49 am

Danny wrote:Actually, forget about that, they still want a first rounder so I'm not gonna do that.

But I'd still need to know how much exactly the compensation for RFA offer sheets for 5-6m is.

I'm 99,9% sure that I'm right about this:

660,000 or less = none
660,000 - 1,000,000 = 3rd round pick
1,000,000 - 2,000,000 = 2nd round pick
2,000,000 - 3,000,000 = 1st and 3rd etc.
3,000,000 - 4,000,000 = 1st, 2nd and 3rd
4,000,000 - 5,000,000 = 1st x2, 2nd & 3rd
5,000,000 or more = 1st x4

Post by **Danny** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:27 am

Thank you. Unfortunately, for me, you seem to be right.
I've just tried it on a player who was still an unsigned RFA in January and when you press "offer" the info pops up. Of course I've cancelled it

(could've thought about finding it out what way earlier

)
Seems Lundqvist's offer sheet might get a tad expensive...

Funny thing, no one signed Marleau till mid November.

white knight · Post by **white knight** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:31 am

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the deal with Marleau have more to do with his salary demands than his production

I'm still on season 1 and Todd Bertuzzi (previously refered to as the bad boy

) just reached 50G and 99P in 48GP... Pretty good, pretty good...

white knight · Post by **white knight** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:33 am

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:18 pm

WOW! I traded Kukkonen about a week before the trade deadline. He was then traded twice more in the next week! I traded him (as a part of the package for Sedin) to the Canucks. Then the Canucks included him in a package for Ryan Smyth. Then the Oilers trade him straight up to the Ducks for Beachemin. What a wild week for the poor guy!

Post by **Shadd666** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:00 pm

After some troubles, i finally started my game

I was surprised to see instant-response on the opening day of trades (15th September). I made an "offer to all", get the answers instantly, negotiate over to a sweeter deal, and was surprised that the other team answered instantly once again

Usually it would take 2-3 days

Maybe it was because they were highly interested by the offer i made, and so didn't need that much of a reflexion time, but i had never seen that before

I had it twice, while other trade offers took the usual 2 days of reflexion, but the other teams weren't as high on my offers.

Anyhow, the deal made straight at the end of the no-trade period weren't for a huge instant benefit.

deal 1: Khabibulin to Washington for Clymer and Varlamov
deal 2: Lapointe, Bourque, Corrazzini, rights to Vorobiev, rights to Palmer, and rights to Danis-Pepin to Los Angeles for McCauley, LA 1st round pick in 07, and LA 1st round pick in 08

I also made two other deals and now have what could be my final roster for season 1
deal 3: Cullimore, Vandermeer, and Caron to Phoenix for Morris, Boston 4th round pick in 07, and Phoenix 4th round pick in 08
deal 4: Wisniewski and Bochenski to Boston for Sturm

Just a couple of exhibition left and i should start the season