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Ah. I knew it was one or the other.

I checked this up and Rachel Hunter is now engaged with Jarred Stoll and they are living in a house in Los Angeles and she was also dating Sean Avery.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Hun ... sonal_life

Ah the British football WAG culture strikes in the NHL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAGs

Stoll really likes the cougars, I guess.

bruins72 wrote:Stoll really likes the cougars, I guess.

And Rachel Hunter seems to be a little bit of a puck bunny.

Can we change this thread to the Sean Avery thread?

I think he deserves it. This kid is on his way to great things in this league. He's one of those guys who doesn't need to open his mouth to prove his worth - he just shuts-up and plays good hockey.


(I'm kidding. I think this 'tard should be shot. Or at the very least banned from North American hockey.)

Ah...the Sean Avery thread...for everything about hockey that involves bitching and whining, and acting like an idiot. So all posts about the Toronto Maple Leafs should go here as well.

I think I have a new title....thanks Stinson.

DONE!!!

Sean Avery is a legend. I just wish he'd have said all this stuff straight to Phaneuf's face. That would have been worth paying to see .

Can anyone explain to me the uproar over the Avery vs. Brodeur thing? What exactly is the difference between screening the goaltender with your stick than with your body?

It was the dancing. The idiot was putting on a show, and purposely trying to get noticed and mentionned on national TV. Again, it worked. Oh, and if he wants to do this rubbish...he should join ice capades. Not to mention...if the dman was smart he would have shot high and hit the idiot Avery in the back of his head.

Avery is an a$$ clown. Period.

That doesn't explain why a rule was introduced to stop it happening. As far as I can see blocking the sight with the stick is the same as blocking it with your body - means to an end, same result. If anything it's a smart play because it reduces the chance of the shot hitting the body and deflecting wide because he can stand outside the shooting lane.

If it wasn't against the rules at the time, then he didn't do anything wrong, period. I can guarantee there wouldn't be this sort of vilification if Crosby had tried it.

The reason there is a rule put in is simply because....it is stupid. Well, no actually it is because it makes a mockery of the game. It is unfair to shadow a goaltender the way you would shadow a dman. If you mimic every move you make it makes it impossible for the goalie to do his job, and in the meantime it is an antic that is just absolutely ridiculous. And what he did wrong at the time was stand in the crease and interfere with Brodeur's ability to play the game the way a goalie should be able to play the game. it was pathetic, dumb, showboatie and punishable with an interference call at the very least.

Standing in front of a goalie with your back to him is one thing. Standing waving your arms and yapping while facing the goalie is a whole other ball game.

Sorry, but we never gonna agree on this. what Avery did to Brodeur was against every sportsmanship rule that the sport has. It is as dumb as the stupid "Sharpie"touchdown celebrations, and the cell phone rubbish someone pulled (was it Mogilny? Cannot recall) on a goal. It is ridiculous and completely against how the game is played.

But then again, pretty much everything Avery does is pathetic and stupid. And Crosby would never try it, and if he did I would villify him so to speak. Cause well...its clownish behavior that only a 10 year old would try, and then get smoked for doing so. There is a line you just don't cross, and Avery crosses it all the time. Sorry, but anyone doing this would be mocked. The fact that one clown did try it is why he is a clown. Trust me, tons have thought of it...as I did...when I was 12. And well...I got hammered for it by the other team and the coach of my own team. Clearly I learned...Shawn...well what has he learned? Ever?

So standing in front of a goalie completely blocking his sight line is letting him play the way he should be able to?

Look at Scott Hartnell in his recent game, can't remember who against. He throws his glove at the breakaway forward to distract him - does anyone comment on that? Nope. The TV presenters I was watching were actually laughing at it. If Sean Avery had done it they'd be calling for his head.

Distraction happens in all sports. I don't see why Avery is any worse than anyone else who goes out onto the ice to cause trouble. Look at Laraque against Lucic recently. Goons such as, say, Boogaard. There are plenty of agitators but it just so happens that Avery is one of the best. Fans and players will yap and whistle as a guy goes to take a penalty shot or a shootout attempt, is that not distracting? Should we ask them to shut up and let the forward do his job properly? I'd say a crushing check against the boards is pretty distracting too. Do we rule that out because the forward can't do his job because of it?

The whole point of sports is to stop the other team doing their job. If you let them, they'll win. I just don't see what the difference is between using your body or your stick.

I think they would have laughed if Avery did throw his glove, as that really says in the books that it's okay, but still they do it, which is quite hilarious to see.

What Avery did against Brodeur wasn't in the books by then, but now it's not okay as Batdad say, it's unsportsmanlike to do like that. Even Avery's teammate skates over and tries to tell him to stop but he doesn't listen.
Standing with your butt in a goalie's face is a way of hockey, but you can't stand in the crease and block the movement of the goalie and that's both for the Avery-way and the usual way.

DId not have to comment on that...tis stupid, but is the first time Hartnell was stupid. Not the ten thousandth. Hartnell admitted it was stupid, and likely won't do it again. If he does he is really stupid, just like Avery who keeps on doing things over the line, on and even worse, OFF the ice Over and over and over. Never learns to shut up. Its a totally different thing with a totally different hockey player like Hartnell who earns respect every night by working his tail off, fighting for his teammates and doing what he can out there. Big deal...he made a mistake. We all do. Now learn from it. Avery on the other hand is hated by his teammates because he makes the same dumb attention seeking mistakes OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Wherever he goes.

If you don't believe that listen to Turco and Modano. Turco calls him a circus. Modano said after another game...if this is the way hockey is maybe I should get a job in management now and hang em up. (Avery Ott nut job runaround game vs Boston I believe, and then refuse to go with Lucic or Thornton). Even Bertuzzi and McSorley had teammates defend them in public. But Avery...nope. Wonder why?

Laracque against Lucic? You mean when he was going to stand up for his teammates because well... Lucic was smoking everyone and then weenied out instead of going with Milan? Yeah, all class Laracque...all class. And if you look at other boards and listen to Habs fans you know they were widdled. Laracque did not do what he is paid to do, and that is also the reason he is no longer an Oiler or a Penn. ANd likely won't be a Hab when they can get rid of him. Let Milan get away with murder and Komisarek has to fight Milan. So sure Habs fans are happy about that and Komi's injury. Come on...Laracque is a dufus, as is Avery.

Sorry...did not make a comment on it. From now on every time someone does something dumb I will make sure to comment on it. Jesus. Avery is a multi time idiot. You need to see that. Hated in LA by teammates and dumped. Rangers win more games with him in lineup than out, and still dump him...Why? cause well...idiot.

Who has ever said Derek Boogaard and his idiot brother are good guys? read a few pages back in last season I think and you will see me slam them too. Morons. Absolute morons.

Avery is not the best agitator. Not even close. Neither is Matt the weenie Cooke. The best agitators will drop em against the guys they should be dropping em with. Burrows, Ruutu, Kesler. Listen to what players say about playing against (and with)those guys. Chris Neil, Daniel Winnik. You don't hear them call the guy a circus, a goof or a loser or anything. (you hear nothing but respect.

But with Idiots like Downie (not so much..he was real young when he screwed up and maybe, just maybe has learned something), Cooke, and Avery. The first chance anyone has they smack em down. (Witness Pitt-Van in Cooke's first game. The whole team goes after the little runt before the little runt drops the gloves and mans up) and Ruutu, Kesler, Neil, Burrowas will alll fight tougher players like Iginla, and even Boogie if they have too. All will fight Phaneuf if they have too. But Avery, Cooke, Nah. They fight if they have to and only if they have absolutely no choice against Steve Moore or Jannik Hansen. Some help those guys are.

You can say Avery is an agitator. He is, and he is decent at it. But the guy is a chicken, circus, clown. Just like his teammates all say about him. Past and present. The proof is there. Just read it. Listen to Modano, Turco, former La KIngs, Rangers from last season...its all over the place. There is no defending the guy...I mean how can there be? The Dallas Stars would not even let AVery use their stationary to put out his apology press release. Wonder why? The Canucks let Bert. The Bruins let McSorley. Two other idiots, but they still got to write their apologies on the paper with NHL team letterhead. Why not Avery?

Yeah the whole point of sports is to win. Sounds like you are okay with doing anything to do that. Whether it mocks the game or hurts someone for no reason with a cheapshot. Welcome to Todd's world when you take that attitude. There are things you can do and cannot do. Avery yapping in the media...in a pre thought out and clearly rehearsed shpiel about his exes and Dion Phaneuf, Jarret Stoll and the like....Really what the hell does that have to do with winning? Nothing. And it crosses the line, and makes the entire NHL look bad. All you have to do is note that Jim Rome spent 3 hours on it. The last time he spent 3 hours on anything hockey? Todd-Moore. Great exposure, yeah right.

And oh...yeah wait a second...lets make fun of the opposite gender using a term that he planned to use, that is only used in the locker room, and well...should not be there either.Sorry the waste of space that Avery is should never don a jersey again. But he will, just like that other great guy Michael Vick will.

You've got the wrong Habs Bruins game. Laraque was after Lucic all night long in the one I saw but Lucic was too mature and refused to play down to Laraque's level. It's not through Laraque's lack of trying.

The best agitator does not necessarily have to be a fighter. You agitate people and cause them to take stupid penalties. A fighter earns himself and his opponent a five minute major, which has a lot less benefit than a two minute powerplay. You can agitate without dropping the gloves. Avery agitates people more than anyone. Hence why he's in the news more than anyone. Just look how annoyed everyone got over this. Just because he doesn't fight doesn't make him useless. He's only 5'10, he's not going to have much of a chance against the heavyweights in the league. So he does it his own way.

Anyway, this is way off topic. I think you've got the impression I'm defending what Sean Avery does in general. I'm not, I don't like the guy, but I just can't see what he did wrong in the case against Brodeur. The stuff he said about Cuthbert was wrong, and he's done other stuff that you'd like the belt him one for. However, I reiterate - I can't see how blocking the view with the stick is different from the body.

Sorry..but if ya gonna piddle people off by yapping, hacking, whacking and generally being a jerk...ya gotta be able to drop the gloves. Just the way it is. If you don't you are hated by every guy you play with. Period. Just the way it always has been, and always will be among real hockey players. Matt Cooke has been considered a jerk by all of his teammates for this reason. He once said "I don't fight because it makes them even madder when I don't". To which his own teammate responded: No wonder everyone hates you. And No, you don't fight because you are scared. Period. There is a fine line between an agitator and chicken s***. Cooke is in the latter, and pretty much so is Avery. Cheap shot artists are not agitators. Cooke is a cheap shot artist. Ruutu is an agitator, who occasionally crosses the line to cheap shot artist.

But enough, not gonna be able to explain the way a hockey team works and the way players relate to you. Clearly. That rubbish with Brodeur is amateurish. Period. Put it in soccer terms if you have to. Imagine the flap about a guy falling down and pretending....oh wait.

I'm with batdad on this one. I didn't know much about Avery when the wings traded him to the Kings, but now I'm glad they did. The Brodeur incident was simply Avery showing his lack of ability to play the game. His most recent comments about his former girlfriends was just tacky and showing his true colors. I would highly doubt he is looking too attractive to other women now. Avery is a the poster-boy for dropping the instigator rule.

Look at Scott Hartnell in his recent game, can't remember who against. He throws his glove at the breakaway forward to distract him - does anyone comment on that? Nope. The TV presenters I was watching were actually laughing at it. If Sean Avery had done it they'd be calling for his head.

Personally, I see a huge difference in these situations.

Hartnell threw his glove out of heat-of-the-moment desperation. The game was tied with under 20 seconds to go, Tampa was on a clean breakaway, and Hartnell was the closest player to Malone... and he had no stick. I think everyone's competitive instinct would have kicked-in at that point, like it did with Hartnell, and done whatever they could think of.

Avery, on the other hand, was clearly ignoring the play and the game of hockey for the sake of his new "technique"... which made it obvious that it was just an act. He wasn't worried about screening Brodeur, because he wasn't even watching the play to know if his team even had the puck - he was simply focusing on his own little puppet show.

So the final verdict on Avery has been passed, 6 game suspension and he will have to attend an anger-management evaluation to see if he is in need of council due to his antisocial behavior.
Seems like he's getting fined aswell.

As much of an idiot as Avery is, that suspension is just too much.

Not as bad as when Dallas goes after him for breah of contract. They don't want him back.

Hell lose 12 days of salary which boils down roughly to 248K.

I wish hed gotten more, but simply, theres no precident to this.

I believe the Players Union is also fed up of him. So what is not a bogus 1 or 2 game suspension but not a 12 or more doesnt obligate the union to step in and cry foul.

Heres something to consider. Lets say they gave him 20 games. What is then some guy gives someone a headshot and suspended 5 games for it. The team that lost a player to the headshot might then say “How come player A gets only 5 games for hurting someone yet Avery gets 20 for 2 words?”

It’s a can of worms that way!!

That being said. This isn’t over. Now Dallas will do what they feel needs to be done, indefinitely suspended ect while their lawyers go over the CBA and see if they can get out of the contract Hull was stupid to give Avery.

There is some obscure clause that allows either the league or a team to terminate a contract if a players actions are bad for the good of the team and /or league. But again, no precident is set and Id guess legal actions in a public forum might be a by product of that.

In the good old pre union and collusion filled days the GMs would make a ‘gentlemans agreement’ and all say “Don’t sign this guy.. hes blackballed.”

Sbufkle wrote: Heres something to consider. Lets say they gave him 20 games. What is then some guy gives someone a headshot and suspended 5 games for it. The team that lost a player to the headshot might then say “How come player A gets only 5 games for hurting someone yet Avery gets 20 for 2 words?”

It’s a can of worms that way!!

This is exactly why I felt that the suspension was a little too much.

Ah but it is good...Now the league will have to give harsh suspensions for repeat head shot, injury attempt offenders. Remember, Avery is a repeat offender...that is the NHL way out on not giving harsh offenses big suspensions.

Also--Definitely goes to court over the contract. NHLPA will put up a nominal fight. But if you had to pay a useless twit millions of dollars over 4 years, I think you would put up the mill to fight in legal fees. So the STars and Tom Hicks will do that. The league will help. The NHLPA will argue a bit, but not to the full extent.