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Alessandro wrote:Btw those pauses are mostly dictated by IIHF, and are kind of the same in other European leagues too.

Sure but KHL teams has forbidden several players to play for their national teams in the smaller Euro tournaments, for example.
I've never seen that with Swedish or Finnish teams.
Perhaps they will totally honour the IIHF breaks this season

KHL to London seems to be back on Shame I just decided to leave

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. We've discussed this a few times and so won't repeat it, but I'd be surprised if the team manages to pull in a decent enough crowd to fund the team and the necessary travel. I'm sure there will be an initial influx of crowds, but presumably it'll settle down - just like the original Manchester Storm at the MEN Arena.

archibalduk wrote:It will be interesting to see how this pans out. We've discussed this a few times and so won't repeat it, but I'd be surprised if the team manages to pull in a decent enough crowd to fund the team and the necessary travel. I'm sure there will be an initial influx of crowds, but presumably it'll settle down - just like the original Manchester Storm at the MEN Arena.

I didn't think in the KHL you have to make enough money to cover the bills

Not trying to be rude/cause conflict, but I've been following the KHL the last few years and not having the money and carrying on (after money comes from "somewhere" but it's not said where) is the norm.....at the end of this past season I believe (from KHL PA announcement) there were 9 teams with outstanding wages and 2 others with outstanding bonus payments (and it all got "fixed" but it's not said how....which is the norm from all I've seen)

Does Britain have any laws that would make information public?
Or would a British KHL team operate under the same conditions as the other KHL teams?

Some KHL teams have very strong sponsors or owners who "come up with the money", but each team has their own uniuque financial situation.

Calv wrote:KHL to London seems to be back on Shame I just decided to leave

I think UK is like Milano a few years ago...

nino33 wrote:

archibalduk wrote:It will be interesting to see how this pans out. We've discussed this a few times and so won't repeat it, but I'd be surprised if the team manages to pull in a decent enough crowd to fund the team and the necessary travel. I'm sure there will be an initial influx of crowds, but presumably it'll settle down - just like the original Manchester Storm at the MEN Arena.

I didn't think in the KHL you have to make enough money to cover the bills

Not trying to be rude/cause conflict, but I've been following the KHL the last few years and not having the money and carrying on (after money comes from "somewhere" but it's not said where) is the norm.....at the end of this past season I believe (from KHL PA announcement) there were 9 teams with outstanding wages and 2 others with outstanding bonus payments (and it all got "fixed" but it's not said how....which is the norm from all I've seen)

Does Britain have any laws that would make information public?
Or would a British KHL team operate under the same conditions as the other KHL teams?

It will certainly require someone with very deep pockets to run this (which there are many of in London, I'm not sure how many are that interested in Hockey though), as London is very expensive city. Saying that, there is obviously a large potential with a large (and pretty wealthy) population nearby, good travel links, etc etc.

I am sceptical as to whether it will ever happen, however one club official did say that he was excited and "the people involved have the money and the experience". It sounds as though they will play out of the Wembley Arena, which requires some work to ensure it is suitable for Hockey. Firstly, there is no ice plant in the arena, and secondly, the floor is not suitable for hockey (something to do with the pipes). This has been a stumbling block for the EIHL (top British league) getting a team playing out of Wembley (it keeps getting announced as 'soon'), because they need to shut down the arena for a few days to work on the floor (I think the concrete is too thick, but I'm not sure). So far, the arena owners have not agreed to shutting down the arena. The arena is owned by AEG (who own a bunch of other teams, including LA Kings), so perhaps they are involved, and also Neil Black was previously involved. He is owner of 2 British clubs but I don't think he has the money to run a KHL team. He does have a lot of experience of running hockey, and is also on the board of the EHC. There might be some money coming in from some other sources (e.g. http://www.wfblondon.co.uk/wfb-partners ... eague-khl/) but I've no idea.

With regards to the laws, I am no expert, but all companies have to file publicly viewable accounts. For example the accounts of Chelsea FC plc (this is a plc so might have different rules, but I'm ignoring that for the time being) can be found here: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history (this possibly may only work from a UK IP address, I haven't checked). The majority of companies do not have to file such detailed accounts; if they can satisfy 2 of the following:
a turnover of £6.5 million or less
£3.26 million or less on its balance sheet
50 employees or less
then a company can file abbreviated accounts. These contain much more limited detail such as: Fixed Assets (But no details of these), Current Assets (again no details), Creditors (total, not individual), Capital. In the UK, hockey teams are often bankrolled by their owners who give the team a 'loan' (with very limited possibility of ever recovering that money), this would fall under Creditors (amount falling due after more than one year) and the total owed would be publicly available but probably no details of who actually paid this in.

Alessandro wrote:

Calv wrote:KHL to London seems to be back on Shame I just decided to leave

I think UK is like Milano a few years ago...

I can dream though Having watched some Jokerit games I would be very excited if it were to ever happen

Thanks for the reply/explanation Calv!

Disgraceful stuff happened today in the Barys-Kunlun game today, the player should be arrested in my opinion.
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/statu ... 2728866816

Arrested? Come on lol, but I think that he should be banned for long long time and Nazarov too.

Alessandro wrote:Arrested? Come on lol, but I think that he should be banned for long long time

I think a permanent ban would be appropriate (it's really strange the "skill league" of the KHL has the type of goon behaviour the NHL got rid of a long time ago)

Animal behavior. That has nothing to do with sport.

nino33 wrote:

Alessandro wrote:Arrested? Come on lol, but I think that he should be banned for long long time

I think a permanent ban would be appropriate (it's really strange the "skill league" of the KHL has the type of goon behaviour the NHL got rid of a long time ago)

A permanent ban is hardly enforceable. (Not that I would disagree.) The difference with the old NHL is that these episodes in the KHL or in other European league is that they are much less systematic and much more on single idiots like Nazarov and similar figures.

So what actually happened then? In the video I saw on YouTube someone got checked into the board then I saw a few line brawls did I miss something else?

Alessandro wrote:

nino33 wrote:

Alessandro wrote:Arrested? Come on lol, but I think that he should be banned for long long time

I think a permanent ban would be appropriate (it's really strange the "skill league" of the KHL has the type of goon behaviour the NHL got rid of a long time ago)

A permanent ban is hardly enforceable. (Not that I would disagree.) The difference with the old NHL is that these episodes in the KHL or in other European league is that they are much less systematic and much more on single idiots like Nazarov and similar figures.

I wasn't thinking about the Dave Schultz/Broad Street Bullies days of the NHL 40 years ago, I was thinking about the Mike Peluso days of the 1990s ("single idiot" as you say HaHa).....he's the last NHL guy I recall acting anywhere near what I saw in the video (and IMO even he wasn't as bad as what I saw....that kind of behaviour was 1970s NHL)

MWE wrote:So what actually happened then? In the video I saw on YouTube someone got checked into the board then I saw a few line brawls did I miss something else?

You didn't notice the one guy attack 4 players, try to attack a 5th player and then the attack the opponents on their bench?

Alessandro wrote:Arrested? Come on lol, but I think that he should be banned for long long time and Nazarov too.

If you went on the streets and started attacking people left and right, injuring them, you would get arrested. Why should this situation differ just because it happened on a hockey rink?

It can happen/there's a list of on-ice incidents resulting in charges here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_ ... in_charges (including 5 in the 1970s NHL and 5 in the NHL since then)

nino33 wrote:

MWE wrote:So what actually happened then? In the video I saw on YouTube someone got checked into the board then I saw a few line brawls did I miss something else?

You didn't notice the one guy attack 4 players, try to attack a 5th player and then the attack the opponents on their bench?

That wasn't in the video I saw

MWE wrote:That wasn't in the video I saw

The video you saw could have been from the earlier match between Barys and Kunlun. That one had its fair share of fights, and probably is the reason why the next match got so heated so quickly.

(slightly related) A court case involving a player breaking another's jaw is set to go ahead in the UK next month: http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... ent_s_jaw/

Alessandro wrote:Arrested? Come on lol

Seems he might be (I see multiple websites noting the Kulun Red Stars are going to press charges)

ClassicSwarley wrote:

Alessandro wrote:Arrested? Come on lol, but I think that he should be banned for long long time and Nazarov too.

If you went on the streets and started attacking people left and right, injuring them, you would get arrested. Why should this situation differ just because it happened on a hockey rink?

You'd get arrested/fined for fights too... what do we do, then, call 911 everytime there is a fight?
If it was up to me, Nazarov or Ryspayev would never watch a game of hockey even on TV, but having prosecutions for "game situations" I think it's a bit ridicolous.