Official NHL Off-Season 2014 Thread

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Peter_Doherty wrote:I got a scary thought here, if both Sabres and Islanders go bad this season which is a possibility then the Sabres could have McDavid, Reinhart, Eichel, Grigorenko and Girgensons as their centremen in a few years, imagine that dynasty....
I'm counting on it. My office splits season tickets to Buffalo so this would be amazing. Bettman will never allow McDavid to the Sabres :)
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dave1927p wrote:
Peter_Doherty wrote:Pretty sure Richards had alot of offer above $2M, he just chose the chance to win ahead of money.
yeah, I guess you're right. The leafs could of very well offered him a large deal. He was just bought out of a huge contract so he's getting paid much more than the 2 million haha

I think hiller is going to do great in Calgary.

The Stralman deal is idiotic. He's a a good defenceman who i remember being quite capable of moving the puck nicely but they overpaid him big time. I still think he's capable of 35 points.
Actually i think the Strålman deal is really good, he's a super solid defenceman with great possessionstats. Just look here at his corsi%, fenwick% and his shots for %, top-10 in all 3. http://www.extraskater.com/players/poss ... =5v5&pos=D

He's grown into a shut down defenceman since he signed for NYR, he's not on the ice for his points. He's a great skater aswell along with having a really good first pass on him. Of all the big deals for D-men today his contract is one of the best imo. And i say that having seen Strålman in 105 games this season.
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Primis is going to be happy. Wings signed Quincey for years for 4.3 per year. :-p
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philou21 wrote:Primis is going to be happy. Wings signed Quincey for years for 4.3 per year. :-p
Haha, wow!! :-D
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philou21 wrote:Primis is going to be happy. Wings signed Quincey for years for 4.3 per year. :-p
He not only got re-signed, HE GOT A HEALTHY RAISE and will make more than Ehrhoff will in PIT, after an awful year.

Everything was ok. Wings didn't sign anyone and that really was ok. Not great, but fine. For all that some Wings fans wanted Ehrhoff or Niskanen, there were still questions if they could be a 1st pairing guy for the team, or that DET should commit so much money to them.

And then that news hit w/ Quincey, and the pendulum quickly swung, and for the first time I saw a vast majority of Wings fans give up on an upcoming season before it even really started. Hope left w/ the Quincey signing because it took away so many other options, not just cap room. It means no room for Sproul or Marchenko out of camp. And Marchenko in particular seems ready.

Ken Holland has just run the team into the ground. He's continually promised opportunities for the "kids", and then gone out and signed vets to play instead. And now he signed Quincey to enough AAV that he's completely untradeable, and will surely not be scratched. Which means a Sproul, Oullet, or Marchenko that deserved a chance now won't even get one out of camp.

Sound familiar? He did the exact same thing to Tatar and Nyquist last year after signing Cleary, and Tatar threatened *on the record* last offseason at camp to go to the KHL, and Calle Jarnkrok quietly informed the Wings during the year he would not spend another year in Grand Rapids so they traded him in the Legwand deal. This year it's Adam Almqvist (who is quite good & probably ready for an NHL shot himself) who actually did get tired of the blueline BS and bolted back overseas, and there are rumors that Marchenko might as well, and that Tatar is wavering again because his 19G apparently wasn't enough to guarantee him enough regular ice time still (which is complete and utter madness).

It's a total mess in Detroit. Both Babcock and Holland's contracts expire soon, & more and more fans seem ready for them to both just go and get someone new in. I know the outside perception is that Babcock is awesome, but there are signs players hate playing for him and that he's a chief reason DET can't get anyone to come anymore. And if, as has been suggested, Babcock & Holland make these decisions together, it's easy to see how and why nobody want to play for him.
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I still hold both Babcock and Holland in a very high regard but it seems like both them and Detroit Red Wings could use a fresh start.
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Peter_Doherty wrote:I still hold both Babcock and Holland in a very high regard but it seems like both them and Detroit Red Wings could use a fresh start.
There's been a "We miss Jim Nill" cry... but the truth is in July 2008 Scotty Bowman left the Wings' braintrust (had still been a Special Consultant in the DET org) for CHI, and that truly is when it all started slowly falling apart. All the moves since then have been very shaky. We haven't seen Nill's departure impact yet because he still had input on scouting and drafting Anthony Mantha, so this year's draft was the first truly without him. We'll see in a few years though how much he's hurt their drafting. I don't think it'l be awful honestly because the DET scouts really are pretty good still, as is the player development end. But a slight downtick is maybe expected.

But it sure appears without Bowman around to bounce ideas off of, Holland really isn't a very solid GM. Even the Franzen vs Hossa debate takes on a new light when you realize Hossa was maybe just following Bowman and was never going to stay in DET regardless.
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Much more calm then yesterday on the market. Jokinen goes to Nashville. Downie to Pitt.

Claude Giroux spent the night in jail after grabbing a policeman (woman) ass. :-D
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San Jose signed John Scott.

Why do teams keep doing that?
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LOL

I can't believe it myself. How can a GM watch the UFA list and sees Scott and be like, "Fluff yeah, I want that guy so bad." I thought that guy was gone after his contract with Buffalo.
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Scott getting another contract is just weird...

Garth Snow woke up today and thought "I can't let MacLellan be more stupid then me" then he signed Kulemin for $16.75M over 4 years and Grabovski for $20M over 4 years.
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Wow it keeps getting worse. Since he lost Moulson and Vanek he probably wanted to get someone to play alongside Tavares but that doesn't mean overpaying the hell out of them. Kulemin 20 pts last season = 4.2 per year. WOW.
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Islanders had alot of cap space so i'm actually OK with the money, but the term, oh dear. Kulemin and Grabovsky does not deserve a 4 year term after their last few seasons, 2 horrible contracts.
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I don't care if a team as the cap space, it's still ridiculous to pay mediocre players at best ok players that price. That's exactly the mentality that kills the NHL......with Buttman of course. :-D
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Yeah, but let's say it this way. Islanders can deal with sparing $9M this year since they are in the middle of the rebuild anyway. But if the rebuild starts working then these contracts might become big problems for them in a few years.
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Peter_Doherty wrote:Yeah, but let's say it this way. Islanders can deal with sparing $9M this year since they are in the middle of the rebuild anyway. But if the rebuild starts working then these contracts might become big problems for them in a few years.
If a rebuild does start to work, they can just flip a couple of guys to another team that wants to hit the ever-increasing salary floor. There will always be those teams...
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Maybe ur right, i just don't like the contracts. Knowing Islanders the rebuild won't ever turn good though :)
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There's been a lot of stupid overpaid contract these past few days. :dunno:
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Leafs just signed Kontiola to a 1 year deal...any body know anything about him?
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leafsnation wrote:Leafs just signed Kontiola to a 1 year deal...any body know anything about him?
His lastname means Bear... ley. :nod:
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Grrrr.....eeaaattt......
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leafsnation wrote:Grrrr.....eeaaattt......
I thought you'd find that info useful. 8-)
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Peter_Doherty wrote:I still hold both Babcock and Holland in a very high regard but it seems like both them and Detroit Red Wings could use a fresh start.
I quoted just Dohery's instead of Primis long Wings rant :P

The problem with Red Wings is a multitude of things.

First, the Wings two biggest advantages that have allowed them have their playoff streak and become a model franchise is gone.

In the 90's the Wing's relied on no salary cap and Euro-Rus talent.

In the 2000's the Wing's relied on Euro-Rus talent and scouting since while the league started drafting Euro-Rus players, it was only the top ones.

The last few years the amount of Euro-Rus players has increased dramatically. One can only wonder where a Datysuk/Zetterberg would be draft in 2014 with the amount of attention those leagues get now compared to before, or heck Lidstrom.

What does this mean for Red Wings? It means they are now having to use "traditional" methods to build a team.

Why is this a problem?

The biggest reason is Free Agen'ts don't want to go to Detroit. This has been a growing problem over the last few years. There is a good article talking about how Niskanen never even considered Detroit and how Boyle turned down more money from Detroit to go to New York. Wives don't want to move their kids to a city known for crime and unemployment and a downtown with only two "good" safe walking blocks away from the oldest/most run down stadium in the league.

Did you know the doors to Joe Louis Arena have gaps near the floor so water runs out? Rain comes in through concourse ceiling.

However now we get to problem number two- trades.

Holland and the Wings front office did an amazing, amazing job building the organization. However they did using the non-traditional methods listed above primarily by grabbing Euro-Rus players no one else was scouting. Now they having to do it by trading, something the Red Wings have never really done in the past 20 years, can you think of big trades involving the team? Exactly. They are very few and far between.

This to me is Holland's biggest downfall-he is not a "wheeler and dealer" which you have to be in todays NHL. the Legwand trade was awful and most people didn't like it when it happened. Defense is the biggest need for the past few years yet the Wing's still have not traded for a Defenseman. Why the heck not? Ladislav Smid was traded last year, he is a guy Detroit could have used a lot, a straight up defensive minded player. Not a hall of famer, but someone who could have plugged a hole.

So now since Detroit can't sign FA's, and isn't willing to trade their prospects/draft picks, they are forced to overpay guys willing to stay like Quincy. If Quincy is worth 4m what is DeKeyser worth? What is Nyquist worth? Come on. They also had to overpay veterans with little/no other options (Bertuzzi, Clearly, Alfredsson)

Detroit fans are getting heat for being negative on such a great organization but the fans are watching and seeing this building over the last 3 or so years. The NHL has changed and the Red Wing's have not and lots of people are scared as to what will happen when Datysuk/Zetterberg are gone (in possibly only 2/3 years) since they are the last of an era.

Look at what Dallas as done in trades, look at what even Buffalo has done in trades. Trading is the name of the game in today's NHL and Red Wings just don't do it.

edit rant done :rant: I don't want anyone fired, I just wish they would trade more instead of "wait and see" and then let young players walk in FA
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Peter_Doherty wrote:Pretty sure Richards had alot of offer above $2M, he just chose the chance to win ahead of money.
I actually love this move for him. He will be centering second line with Kane and Saad giving him the opportunity to put up some major stats to rebound his career. Or he will fail, get bumped to fourth line, and be out of the league. But right now this is a great opportunity for him to set up a future contract and win now. He doesn't need the money after his buyout.
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Peter_Doherty wrote:I got a scary thought here, if both Sabres and Islanders go bad this season which is a possibility then the Sabres could have McDavid, Reinhart, Eichel, Grigorenko and Girgensons as their centremen in a few years, imagine that dynasty....
This is why the future of the Sabre's is so interesting. With decent GM'ing they can be absolutely STACKED in 3-5 years as cup contenders. The Sabers have 3 first round and 3 second round picks in 2015. With proper drafting and probably some more fire sales this year to get even more picks they should be stacked. The NHL just approved draft lottery changes for 2015 which hurt the Sabres however.
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