Lidas Rosters 2009/10 - Mistakes/Omissions/Tweaks/Etc

Post by **batdad** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:28 pm

Soo...by realism you mean that Phoenix is owned by Gary Buttman and starts off hot every year and then cools off and misses the playoffs?

BlazingWing · Post by **BlazingWing** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:36 pm

Just wanted to ask you Lidas, when is the update coming?

Are we expecting the new version with fixes soon or should I start a game now?

Post by **batdad** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:44 pm

Start a game. Version 2.1 won't be ready for some time. He is adding in alot of stuff he is waiting for. My guess is you won't see version 2.1 til December or Jan or maybe even trade deadline.

BlazingWing · Post by **BlazingWing** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:47 pm

batdad wrote:Start a game. Version 2.1 won't be ready for some time. He is adding in alot of stuff he is waiting for. My guess is you won't see version 2.1 til December or Jan or maybe even trade deadline.

K, thank you very much.

BlazingWing · Post by **BlazingWing** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:26 pm

Just wonder, how do I edit players to create clones so I can fix the Fowler/Galiev/etc. problem?

I have Eastside UK's pre-game editor and while I can create another Cam Fowler and such, I can't delete the original. I can change his name and potential and etc., but is that the only way?

Any help in how to edit the DB would really be

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:31 pm

BlazingWing wrote:Just wonder, how do I edit players to create clones so I can fix the Fowler/Galiev/etc. problem?

I have Eastside UK's pre-game editor and while I can create another Cam Fowler and such, I can't delete the original. I can change his name and potential and etc., but is that the only way?

Any help in how to edit the DB would really be

You need to use this thread for help with using the editor. The thread we're currently in is for "Lidas Rosters 2009/10 - Mistakes/Omissions/Tweaks/Etc" only.

BlazingWing · Post by **BlazingWing** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:35 pm

bruins72 wrote:
BlazingWing wrote:Just wonder, how do I edit players to create clones so I can fix the Fowler/Galiev/etc. problem?

I have Eastside UK's pre-game editor and while I can create another Cam Fowler and such, I can't delete the original. I can change his name and potential and etc., but is that the only way?

Any help in how to edit the DB would really be
You need to use this thread for help with using the editor. The thread we're currently in is for "Lidas Rosters 2009/10 - Mistakes/Omissions/Tweaks/Etc" only.

Will do. Thank you.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:53 pm

I don't know if this applies to this version of the database only or if it's a lingering issue (I think it's been there for a while) but can we make Paul Coffey NOT a super-coach? He's a "free agent" coach and his abilities are far too good. Has he even had any coaching experience to warrant these abilities?

empach · Post by **empach** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:01 pm

bruins72 wrote:
Lidas wrote: As for the extended contracts.
Lets take Milan Lukic as an example.
This year he has an 850K caphit, and its the final year of his contract.
He has signed an extention worth $4,083,333 over three years.
If I should take the average caphit over four years it would be (3*4.083.333+850.000)/4 = 3.275.000 per year instead of 850.000 per year, which would have a huge impact on Bruins' already tight budget.
The one thing I'd like to see if we can look at for a future version of the database is the cap hits for this year. Some players are being counted for too much of a cap hit and it's putting the teams over the cap to start the game. For example, the Bruins' Rask and Wheeler don't count for as much against the cap as they're currently set in the game. Other teams are facing the same issues. I'd just hate to see a bunch of good players get waived or sent to the minors because they put the teams over the cap when they're actually playing for the team in real life.

My understanding of this situation was that last year, because it was technically the last year of the CBA until the League renewed, bonuses were counted against the cap. That's why guys like Rask had cap hits of about 3 million when they're base salary was around a one million. I'm not sure if the same situation is still around this year or not.

Also could I maybe suggest a re-release of the database with the UFA 17-18 year old fix? I think most of us would prefer Cam Fowler not be signed as a 17 year old.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:09 pm

empach wrote: My understanding of this situation was that last year, because it was technically the last year of the CBA until the League renewed, bonuses were counted against the cap. That's why guys like Rask had cap hits of about 3 million when they're base salary was around a one million. I'm not sure if the same situation is still around this year or not.

Thanks, I hadn't heard that explanation yet. AFAIK, they're not counting this year because many teams would be way over the cap before the season started. I think in a few cases, the players' bonuses might count because they were actually able to meet the requirements of those bonuses, thus locking in those cap hits. This would mostly be guys like Kane or Toews.

Speaking of salaries and cap numbers... March Recchi is listed in the game as having a 1 year $1.75M contract when he's actually got a 1 year $1M contract.

empach · Post by **empach** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:16 pm

bruins72 wrote:
empach wrote: My understanding of this situation was that last year, because it was technically the last year of the CBA until the League renewed, bonuses were counted against the cap. That's why guys like Rask had cap hits of about 3 million when they're base salary was around a one million. I'm not sure if the same situation is still around this year or not.
Thanks, I hadn't heard that explanation yet. AFAIK, they're not counting this year because many teams would be way over the cap before the season started. I think in a few cases, the players' bonuses might count because they were actually able to meet the requirements of those bonuses, thus locking in those cap hits. This would mostly be guys like Kane or Toews.

Speaking of salaries and cap numbers... March Recchi is listed in the game as having a 1 year $1.75M contract when he's actually got a 1 year $1M contract.

If memory serves normally rookie bonuses are not covered under the cap, but veteran (35+) players bonuses are.
This all second hand knowledge from last year. I by no means understand the nuances of the CBA

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:19 pm

AFAIK, Recchi had no bonuses and counted strictly as $1M against the cap. Otherwise, I don't think the Bruins would have signed him. They've been tight against the cap and didn't re-sign some players (Axelsson for example) because they would cost too much against the cap.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:21 pm

March Recchi March....hup two three four.

Anyway, the NHLPA last year had the hard cap and ENTRY LEVEL contract (not rookie) bonuses had to be counted against the cap last season. This season, they can again defer any bonuses the kids make to next year if they wish. So...going by the past in EHM roster updates..we would not count the bonuses in the cap hit for this season's contracts. I have no clue if they are counting in Lidas 2.0 because I have not looked at the new update yet.

Bard · Post by **Bard** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:18 pm

Lidas, why haven't you placed Partizan, Jesenice 2 and few other teams in Slovenian league? Btw here is the list of teams this season for Slovenia and Austria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slohokej_Liga

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Hockey_League

THANKS FOR THE UPDATE!!!

Post by **batdad** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:21 pm

Likely due to the number of teams the game has hardcoded for the Slovenian league. You cannot add more teams to a league. It has to be the exact # the game originally started with. If not, it could be because noone researched the Slovenian league...I have not looked.

bestrafer7 · Post by **bestrafer7** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:22 pm

batdad wrote:Likely due to the number of teams the game has hardcoded for the Slovenian league. You cannot add more teams to a league. It has to be the exact # the game originally started with. If not, it could be because noone researched the Slovenian league...I have not looked.

I am working on it for the next update.

Post by **Lidas** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:54 pm

halljoh2 wrote:A few other avs things as they're the only team i've really looked at so far:

TJ galiardi is listed as a LW on the Avs website but often plays centre, he is just a centre in the game

Kyle Quincey has played LD with Hannan but RD with Liles on the PP so maybe give him that capability? Also Hannan has played RD a lot, often with Quincey. Duchene has played left wing on the PP with Hejduk ans Statsny. Wolski should also have Centre as a secondary position, he played it often last year.

All taken care of

Post by **Lidas** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:55 pm

bruins72 wrote:I think Chara needs to have a better than "Competent" rating for Left Defenseman. He's been playing paired with Morris on the right this season. I'm sure he played on the left in other seasons too. Chara is enough of a talent that I think he can play both sides well.

OK

Canuckk · Post by **Canuckk** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:39 pm

empach wrote:
bruins72 wrote:
empach wrote: My understanding of this situation was that last year, because it was technically the last year of the CBA until the League renewed, bonuses were counted against the cap. That's why guys like Rask had cap hits of about 3 million when they're base salary was around a one million. I'm not sure if the same situation is still around this year or not.
Thanks, I hadn't heard that explanation yet. AFAIK, they're not counting this year because many teams would be way over the cap before the season started. I think in a few cases, the players' bonuses might count because they were actually able to meet the requirements of those bonuses, thus locking in those cap hits. This would mostly be guys like Kane or Toews.

Speaking of salaries and cap numbers... March Recchi is listed in the game as having a 1 year $1.75M contract when he's actually got a 1 year $1M contract.
If memory serves normally rookie bonuses are not covered under the cap, but veteran (35+) players bonuses are.
This all second hand knowledge from last year. I by no means understand the nuances of the CBA

Bonuses are a really tricky subject. They used to be exempt from the cap, but as of last season, all bonuses, no matter ELC or veteran bonuses, count against the salary cap. I'm 99% sure about that.

And for those who simply want a quick-fix DB with Cam Fowler and a few other 17-year olds fixed along with a couple of other things (ie. positions for some players), I will upload that later unless Lidas is coming out with a quick-fix update in the near future.

Post by **Lidas** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:40 pm

Stastny26 wrote:KHL

Dinamo Minsk
Glen Hanlon fired. Aleksandr Andrievski new head coach

Atlant Mytischi
Ruslan Bashkirov joined the Molot-Prikamie
Roman Bashkirov joined the HK Rus
Fedor Kanareykin fired, Nikolai Borschevski new head coach
Leonid Weisfeld fired

Dynamo Moscow
Leo Komarov have finland and russian nationality, he's declared finnish national team.
Sergei Kotov fired, Andrei Khomutov new head coach

Dinamo Riga
Tyler Arnason joined the Dinamo Riga

Severstal
Andrei Pyatanov fired, Dmitriy Kvartalnov new head coach

Spartak Moscow
Pavel Akolzin play in Kazakhstan (i don't know what team)
Vladislav Egin not play in Spartak, possibly he's free agent
Artem Maslov not play in Spartak
Artem Podshendyalov not play in Spartak, possibly he's free agent
Dmitri Schetinkin not play in Spartak
Nikita Shestakov joined Crystall Saratov
Pavel Taraskin not play in Spartak
Aleksei Tkachuk coach in Spartak
Dmiti Gogolev not a player, he's coach in Spartak
Nikolai Lukyanchikov joined the Spartak
Aleksandr Gogolev joined the Spartak

Salavat Yulaev
Igor Zakharkin coach in Salavat

Avangard
Evgeni Kurbatov joined the Gazovik-Tyumen

Amur
Dmitri Semenov is now free agent
Anatoly Emelin fired, Aleksandr Blinov new head coach
Oleg Belkin is now free agent
Ruslan Bernikov and Aleksandr Goroshansky joined the Amur

Sibir
Vladimir Semenov fired, Andrei Tarasenko new head coach
Andrei Evstafev not a player, he's now coach in Sibir

Yugra Khanty
Yuri Butsaev joined the Yugra

Torpedo
Aleksandr Budkin joined the Torpedo

Thats a lot of good info, thanks. I have problems updating Russia due to language difficulties, so your help is very appreciated.

Post by **Lidas** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:45 pm

Jypfan92 wrote:
Lidas wrote:
Andy79 wrote:First of all I wanna thx Lidas and all of you guys that been working so hard for this great game.

The error i found is that Swedish allsvenskan have 16 team, it should only be 14, Huddinge and Nybro its not in the allsvenskan this year.

And Oliver Ekman-Larsson in Leksand was drafted round 1 not 31
I have written about the league structure in the readme.

As for the drafts, Ekman-Larsson was drafted 2009, but the game starts 2006, so in order to have him drafted at all I needed to work around it like that. (2007 draft is round 11-17 year 2006, 2008 is 21-27, and 2009 is 31-37)
I have one ok idea to fix those. You have edit only players age, but maybe you (or somebody else, cause there's lots work) can fix draft years. For example, Erik Johnson is 1st pick in 2006, so why not edit him to be 1st pick in 2003 (in 2009-2010 db)? There's lots of work to edit all draft picks, but game could be lil better that way. Only if you find someone who wants to edit those, but maybe it's better make to next years db.

I dont think Im going to update all the draft years manually, but Im hoping the mne can create a script which takes care of that.

Post by **Lidas** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:47 pm

zyllyx wrote:I've simmed a bit through the current 2.0 database and have to say KUDOS again to Lidas - the realism is exceptional!

Having gone through a couple of seasons now, I'm concerned about Martin Hanzal for the Coyotes - IRL he is the Coyotes' shutdown forward and is one of the best defensive forwards on the team. He rolls out against guys like Thornton and other big dudes and has shown tremendous defensive skill. In the game, however, his checking and other defensive traits are very low and don't develop very much at all. Maybe raise his checking attribute or at least potential?

Also - having observed Ulf Samuelsson at the Coyotes' rookie camps over the offseason I strongly believe his coaching style should be switched to "Technique-based." It's not that big a deal if you set up practices manually but if you set EHM to have the head coach run practices Ulf is ALWAYS slotted as the conditioning coach, which just doesn't jibe with his real-life coaching technique.

Having said all that, I'm LOVING 2.0 and I think once the tweaks are made for 2.1 it's going to be hard to improve on. LIDAS FTW!

Hehe, Ulfie wasnt very technical as a player, but maybe he has changed as a coach....

Post by **Lidas** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:50 pm

bruins72 wrote:I don't know if this applies to this version of the database only or if it's a lingering issue (I think it's been there for a while) but can we make Paul Coffey NOT a super-coach? He's a "free agent" coach and his abilities are far too good. Has he even had any coaching experience to warrant these abilities?

Going down, down, down...

Post by **Lidas** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:52 pm

empach wrote:
Also could I maybe suggest a re-release of the database with the UFA 17-18 year old fix? I think most of us would prefer Cam Fowler not be signed as a 17 year old.

I think I'll release a "fixed" release in time for next challenge.

tksolway · Post by **tksolway** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:00 am

Unfortunatley since Springfeild got the axe in 2.0 (to the ECHL) the Edmonton Oilers are without an AHL affiliate in the game. Needless to say, it is impossible to play them, because they have nowhere to put their players. They have to buyout half their players before the season starts to get under their roster limits. Does anyone know how to change this in the editor? I would love to play my team, but I can't until I get this fixed.

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