EHM The Blue Line

Well, i am reading SI Games forum and people are still complaining about the decreasing attribute... In fact this time i see everything going well in my game so i want to know if some people saw that in the forum whit the version 3.0.3...

I think there was at least one very vocal complainer that hadn't bothered to update to 3.03.

I don't know about the rest. What I do know is that I'm seeing neat prospect development in 3.03. I'm just starting the 2009/10 season, and I'm starting to think that it might actually pay to listen to my scouts if they all tell me in unison that some guy with lousy overall attributes has a lot of potential.

I think that sadly there seems to still be a bug.

To many people are experiencing it for it just to be a wierd coincidence. It seems to happen in the 2013 season.

One poster checked with the savegame-editor and found that some of the star players had suddenly dropped to below 50 in ability - normally they would probably be between 150 and 190 (star players).

But not to worry, Riz has said that he will look into it and fix it, so I am optimistic

I took a look at some of the pictures in that thread which were supposed to prove the decline. I'm not saying it's not there, but if a 38-year-old Niedermeyer or a 40-year-old Brodeur decline over the course of a season, it's NOT a bug.

BTW, it *should* be possible for a player to fall off the face of the Earth in what should be his prime years as an NHLer. The best example I can think of right now is Janne Niinimaa, who 5 years ago, at 26 years of age, was a first-pairing defenseman for the Oilers, playing over 25 minutes a night. Now he's 31, which means he should be entering his prime as a defenseman. However, instead of being a first-pairing guy somewhere, he's spent the last two years bouncing around the league like a bad penny, and he's now a reserve D-man in Montreal (and a healthy scratch about 50% of the time).

If it happens regularly or to a lot of people, it's a problem. But if it happens to Hemsky in this guy's game and Heatley in that guy's game, it's a simulation of reality.

Kekkonen wrote:I took a look at some of the pictures in that thread which were supposed to prove the decline. I'm not saying it's not there, but if a 38-year-old Niedermeyer or a 40-year-old Brodeur decline over the course of a season, it's NOT a bug.

BTW, it *should* be possible for a player to fall off the face of the Earth in what should be his prime years as an NHLer. The best example I can think of right now is Janne Niinimaa, who 5 years ago, at 26 years of age, was a first-pairing defenseman for the Oilers, playing over 25 minutes a night. Now he's 31, which means he should be entering his prime as a defenseman. However, instead of being a first-pairing guy somewhere, he's spent the last two years bouncing around the league like a bad penny, and he's now a reserve D-man in Montreal (and a healthy scratch about 50% of the time).

If it happens regularly or to a lot of people, it's a problem. But if it happens to Hemsky in this guy's game and Heatley in that guy's game, it's a simulation of reality.

Exactly what i think... Oh well, we will see what Riz says... A lot of players have been really good a couple of seasons and then become naff... Jose Theodore...

Alex the Tall wrote: Exactly what i think... Oh well, we will see what Riz says... A lot of players have been really good a couple of seasons and then become naff... Jose Theodore...

Jim Carey!!

a bit off-topic but in the same line. How's crosby doing in your games?? In my game, we're now in 2010 and he never reached 100 pts so far... But i'm not his GM that why!

Crosby? Would have won the Art Ross in 2009 (1 point ahead of Kovalchuk) if I hadn't lured Joe Thornton back to Boston, where he had a 112-point season. Crosby was about 5 points behind; his sophomore season was kinda rough though (for a phenom like Crosby, that is; 'only' 70-something points).

And Carey... I remember toying with the idea of what things would look like in 2006/07, if you had access to a player database put together 10 years ago and used that to sim forward 10 seasons. One thing that's for sure is that in that fictional universe Jim Carey, who turns 33 this spring, would be one of the premier goaltenders in the game.

Kekkonen wrote:I took a look at some of the pictures in that thread which were supposed to prove the decline. I'm not saying it's not there, but if a 38-year-old Niedermeyer or a 40-year-old Brodeur decline over the course of a season, it's NOT a bug.

Yeah, I could not really see anything very wrong in those pictures either.

But star players suddenly falling to under 50 in ability is definately a bug.

Under 50 is allmost not even good enough for a 3rd line danish league player.

I think some of those people either haven't updated to 3.0.3 yet or they just don't realize that these older players lose it after awhile. Especially on a game that is suppose to somewhat predict it for you and even at that, some of their attributes go down when you don't train them or have good people who can coach them. I'm sorry, but if you got naff coaching, you'll see players going nowhere in the game.

I play with the Rocky Mountain Rage of the CHL and I wanted to nab this rookie that the Colorado Eagles had. He wasn't producing at all there and I sent my scout to check him out and it showed that he had tons of potential and landing him would be a good idea. So what did I do, I went and grabbed him. With my coaching staff and training, he was putting up 80 points a season. Instead of the 30 for the Eagles like he did for 2 years. Just goes to show you that the game itself has to be utilized in order for players to succeed and move ahead to better things.

Kekkonen wrote:Crosby? Would have won the Art Ross in 2009 (1 point ahead of Kovalchuk) if I hadn't lured Joe Thornton back to Boston, where he had a 112-point season. Crosby was about 5 points behind; his sophomore season was kinda rough though (for a phenom like Crosby, that is; 'only' 70-something points).

And Carey... I remember toying with the idea of what things would look like in 2006/07, if you had access to a player database put together 10 years ago and used that to sim forward 10 seasons. One thing that's for sure is that in that fictional universe Jim Carey, who turns 33 this spring, would be one of the premier goaltenders in the game.

Crosby in my game sucks badly... He did 45 pts this season!

If someone actually posts evidence that there is a problem. IE shows me attributes of players from every team in the entire NHL, from before and after, through uploading, not possibly doctored screen shots, and I am sure it is NOT a pirated version of the game...I may believe it is a bug. I say this because I am in 2010-2011 right now with a game that was started under 3.2 and am waiting and waiting for this massive drop. Not seeing it. Maybe I will, but until people quit just giving anecdotal evidence and PROVE it to me...then I would suggest we stop talking about it. Prove the issue, stop spreading the rumour of an issue.

I see someone is posting over there some photos. But yeah 38 and 40 year olds having declining numbers...Duh

Never seen it.

Ever.

Any patch.

Lies.

batdad wrote:until people quit just giving anecdotal evidence and PROVE it to me...then I would suggest we stop talking about it. Prove the issue, stop spreading the rumour of an issue.

I see someone is posting over there some photos. But yeah 38 and 40 year olds having declining numbers...Duh

This is my contention exactly; don't take "I heard someone say on the forums" as fact or even possibly correct. We will NOT allow unsubstantiated claims that the game is "broken" because people love to chime in about it and it all becomes "I hear from a friend of this guy who's girlfriend's cousin said his mom's hairstylists brother in law's electrician saw Ferris pass out at the 31 Flavors the other night."

People, we need everyone's help on this. Don't report "I heard on the forums" as facts.

Don't get into discussions/arguments about the silly wars with zero common sense or proof that rage unabated at the "Official" Forum. That is NOT what the TBL Forums are for and such conversations will NOT be alowed to spiral out of control here.

If you want to be involved in threads like that go to the Official Forums and you'll find enough to keep you buy for a week. No reason to repeat the process here. Ever. Thankyou.

Now if you care to hear facts? Silly I know... but in preparing the last patch Riz spent literally days at a time tweaking development and running multiple tests out over a hundred years and checking many many different players in those multiple long term test games and declared that he'd resolved the issues with development. Fact. How do I know? Because I'm a beta tester and those words are direct from Riz.

Now, can you take a single player from your one game that has gone four years and pick out a player that has declined? Sure. Who can't? If you bring an 18 year winger old up to the NHL level and not play him and set him to only practice goaltending intensely he'll decline. Is that indicative of a bug? No. So there is a lot of "noise" here that is distorting the truth and people passing it on as fact because "they heard someone say on the forums it's broken" doesn't help.