EHM The Blue Line

Just curious if it is a common bug in the game when trying to trade a player, if the team you are trying to trade the player to rejects, but offers a counter offer which you accept, that they then come to you later rejecting the offer they counter offered with in the first place? Is this a known bug?

It's not a bug. A day's difference can change what a team thinks about a deal. Maybe they took another look at one of the players involved and saw something they didn't see before?

But IRL, if you offered a team a deal which they rejected, but that team continued the negotiations with a counter offer, you would accept their counter offer. If they offered it to you, there shouldn't be a period of time where they need to think about their own offer, it should be like when a team straight out offers you a trade, in game that situation is either accept or reject, there's no take a few days where they need to think about it again. They should have taken all the time to think about it before offering it in the first place.

If a team did that IRL they would lose a lot of respect around the league and it would make them look foolish.

Maybe, but this is a game based on numbers and if the AI suddenly notice something they didn't before like B72 said, it can be a minor injury or a bad rating or anything. Or maybe they changed their mind about the trade if they want to keep the player that you offered a trade for.

The different between EHM and IRL is that this is a game and the AI can do whatever it wants to.
Teams in NHL might also do what they want if they notice a injury or that a player is not doing well.

In EHM it's not always a great counter offer that you get. And that makes the game more challenging. But you can always tell by the GM's opinion on this offer if they are serious or expect a better offer:

1. We don't want to negotiate on this - Self expanatory.

2. We need time to consider this offer - Need a bit more please (put one or more draft picks or player rights into this and it's fine).

3. We need some time to look this offer over - Yes, let's do it now.

4. We would definitely consider this offer - It's a slight advantage for them. Add draft picks on their side until their opinion changes to the previous.

5. There was one more but I cannot remember.

So basically all you need to do to change the offer until you see the 'look over' message from the other team's GM. If you feel to give up too much, just forget it and look for another player.

In real life if a GM accepted a counter offer just because it was a counter offer...he would be fired immediately. Sheesh.

In EHM--Counter offers are sometimes good, sometimes horrible. Same thing in real life.

I mean I don't think the Kessel trade started as 2 1st rounders and a 2nd for kessel. Hmm....wait a minute I guess Burke did just accept the counter offer.

The other one is:

"This is a great deal for us"

joehelmer wrote:Maybe, but this is a game based on numbers and if the AI suddenly notice something they didn't before like B72 said, it can be a minor injury or a bad rating or anything. Or maybe they changed their mind about the trade if they want to keep the player that you offered a trade for.

The different between EHM and IRL is that this is a game and the AI can do whatever it wants to.
Teams in NHL might also do what they want if they notice a injury or that a player is not doing well.

I understand that it's a game, but it's job is to simulate real life hockey management, which is why it's called a hockey sim. I've played Football Manager which has exactly the game engine as this, and from what I recall all counter offers have a negotiate, accept or reject button. If you negotiate then obviously you are changing their terms, so you send the offer back for them to decide on. However if you accept, well then that's it the transfer (as their called in FM) is all but done. It is rightly assumed that given the other team is offering the deal in the first place that that is their acceptance of it therefore all it requires is your acceptance.

In EHM, there is a negotiate button, an offer button and a cancel button. Negotiate and offer do exactly the same thing, goes to the trade table and even if you make no changes and accept their counter offer the game treats it like you have just made the offer all on your own. Which is wrong IMO. The fact that there are two buttons for exactly the same thing also tells me it might be a bug or something or an oversight.

IMO if an NHL team went around the league offering trades to teams then pulling out once it had been accepted would make them look very bad and give them a bad reputation that other teams would probably be unwilling to deal with them. Hence I don't think it would be done.

To be honest, I have to agree with Dundalis on this one. When a team makes an offer, whether it's an initial offer or a counter offer, they should have already made up their minds that that's what they're willing to offer. I'd say it's extremely poor management to make offers that you could possibly change your mind on only a day or two later. Of course, sudden stuff like injuries could change things, but I don't think this is always the case in EHM.

Dundalis wrote:I've played Football Manager which has exactly the game engine as this

Actually, they're not the same. Same concept, yes, but they intentionally built EHM separately and from the ground up to avoid having it be a "hockey FM".

Dundalis wrote:In EHM, there is a negotiate button, an offer button and a cancel button. Negotiate and offer do exactly the same thing, goes to the trade table and even if you make no changes and accept their counter offer the game treats it like you have just made the offer all on your own. Which is wrong IMO. The fact that there are two buttons for exactly the same thing also tells me it might be a bug or something or an oversight.

I never understood this either. When the AI offers you a trade, you can't just accept it, rather you are counter-offering even though you are not changing anything about the trade itself. Seems rather odd to me, but it is mostly just semantics I guess. At the end of the day, the trades almost always get done in any case so no biggie...

RomaGoth wrote:

Dundalis wrote:In EHM, there is a negotiate button, an offer button and a cancel button. Negotiate and offer do exactly the same thing, goes to the trade table and even if you make no changes and accept their counter offer the game treats it like you have just made the offer all on your own. Which is wrong IMO. The fact that there are two buttons for exactly the same thing also tells me it might be a bug or something or an oversight.

I never understood this either. When the AI offers you a trade, you can't just accept it, rather you are counter-offering even though you are not changing anything about the trade itself. Seems rather odd to me, but it is mostly just semantics I guess. At the end of the day, the trades almost always get done in any case so no biggie...

As long as you get it done in time that is... I've had one of the biggest trades I could have made veto'd because of the stupid roster freeze, and they refused to accept after I thought I had one day too many.

IMO if NHL teams around the league to provide the industry team, and then pull out once it has been accepted, will make them look bad, give them a bad reputation, other teams may be reluctant to deal with them . So, I do not think it will do.

Dundalis wrote: In EHM, there is a negotiate button, an offer button and a cancel button. Negotiate and offer do exactly the same thing, goes to the trade table and even if you make no changes and accept their counter offer the game treats it like you have just made the offer all on your own. Which is wrong IMO. The fact that there are two buttons for exactly the same thing also tells me it might be a bug or something or an oversight.

It was not really an oversight, just the way we had to structure the UI back then due to the transfer system working underneath in code. However it would be fairly easy I think to change the system so you'd have "Accept", "Negotiate" and "Cancel" in the news and if you went to negotiate but didn't change a thing, it would still say "Accept" in the actions instead of offer. Sounds like another bit of constructive criticism to take on board