Official 11-12 NHL Regular Season Thread

[philou21]

Psst hey guys...notice Philou did not agree that the Habs suck?

And I didn't say that the 9 other teams in your posts suck too. Am I supposed to love all those team?

[McQwak]

Is this play normal? It's 30 seconds into 1st period



Mod note: I've embedded your Youtube vid into your post - Archi

[archibalduk]

What the heck was that all about?

[Loosie]

Philly trying to bust Tampa's 1-3-1 system?

[philou21]

Yeah that was one hell of a stupid game. It happened 3 times in the game and the referee were really piddle off. With the 1-3-1 system of Boucher, Pronger decided to mess around I don't know. Both team just looked stupid. Tampa was way much sticking to their plan of this sequence and Philly just looked stupid by staying there and waiting until something happen.

[CeeBee]

Not quite the way hockey was meant to be played. Heck, might as well bore the fans to death so nobody will give a rats a** about the game, especially south of the border.

[Manimal]

That was Laviolette trying to make a point to the league.
There is no rule against it so the ref was wrong to stop play

[philou21]

I think the ref made a good decision. After almost 30 seconds nothing was happenning and the crowd was starting to be pretty mad. If it wasn't from the ref, it could have continu. Flyers just did the babies and didn't want to adapt themselves to the 1-3-1 plan of Tampa Bay. Though, I also blame the Lightning to didn't try to provoke something after a while.

[Manimal]

The Flyers did it to prove a point.
GM meeting is coming up soon and I think they want some changes and this helps the other teams to see it

[philou21]

Well it's your opinion. Mine is that they wasted the time of alot of people that pay a good price to see a hockey game. They could've just wait for the meeting to talk about it. Even if Boucher is playing the trap, Tampa Bay still finished the 7th offesive last year, so he is not playing this all the time.

[B. Stinson]

I'm with Manimal on this one. The way I saw it, the Flyers were simply reacting to Tampa's refusal to do anything. By being able to freely stand in their own end with absolutely zero pressure, I think the Flyers made things pretty clear. Both teams should be playing the game and making things happen. Not just one team attacking, and then other standing there whacking at the puck.

[Manimal]

Well it's your opinion. Mine is that they wasted the time of alot of people that pay a good price to see a hockey game. They could've just wait for the meeting to talk about it. Even if Boucher is playing the trap, Tampa Bay still finished the 7th offesive last year, so he is not playing this all the time.

HOw the finished in offense doesn't really matter. THey don't trap when they have the puck.
I agree that it is a shame that this had to happen but I hope the teams and the league get together and sorts this out.
We want to see exciting hockey games!

[McQwak]

That was Laviolette trying to make a point to the league.
There is no rule against it so the ref was wrong to stop play

I believe some leagues (and even games on international level) have such rule about passive play. Exception is during powerplay/shorthanded situations or when the score is so high that it is not realistic to tie the game (especially in final minutes of the game).

[archibalduk]

Did anybody see Aaron Rome's hit on Smith-Pelly?



Seemed a bit of a cheap shot.

[Big T]

I am surprized there was no suspension on Rome.

[philou21]

This could've looked like Pacioretti injury. The camera angle is bad though it's hard to see correctl the hit. He really seem to hit him on the head and plus, he didn't had the puck at all.

[CeeBee]

maybe a risky hit for sure but no comments on the Lucic hit on Miller yet?

[archibalduk]

Aye Lucic's hit was a bit of a cheap one too and totally avoidable. Having said that, I don't think any serious injury was likely from such a hit whereas when you look at Rome's it's a lot nastier. I thought Lucic's possibly deserved more than two minutes in the box. Still, the Sabres didn't really have much to say about it other than the initial reaction.

Btw, it's nice to see two good results against the Sabres and Oilers. 30 goals in the last five games is pretty darn good!

[Danny]

I guess he might get 2-3 games from Shanaban seeing as how Miller apparently now has a concussion, although still no word on whether he suffered it from Lucic's hit or the collision with Leino/Seguin. Definitely a dirty hit, think Milan is lying when he says he didn't mean to hit him, don't think he intended to injure him though, he can hit way harder.

[batdad]

Players are now completely unsure of the rules in regards to goalies. Some are asking (at least in Van)...okay so we can run over a goalie, with no attempt to get out of the way, and the only repercussion might be a 2 min penalty? Hmm...think it might be worth it? This was a BIG mistake by Shanny.

I have no doubt Looch did not intend to injure Miller...but....something stronger needed to be done here. Players need to be very clear on the rules, and they are not now. What the heck?

In addition...the conspiracy theorists are out and about again in regards to everything that brings the Bruins to league office (either with them being bad guys (lucic on Miller, Chara on Pacioretty... the whole team earlier in the year...the guy who crushed Raymond's spine), or the offendee side of it (Horton vs Rome, Savard 20000 times) that the Bruins are getting favorable results. Ugh I hate those people.

This does no good for the league. None

As for Tampa system...Flyers did what I think was right...but it should have only been done once. Tampa needs to be involved..Flyers proved it right off the bat. That is a 0-0 game if the ref does not blow the whistle ... he had to...even though no rule against that 1-3-1. My question though...there is a rule called "DELAY OF GAME"...maybe the Flyers could have been called for that? Or for unsportsmanlike conduct?

A defensive/forecheck system is just one that is used to prevent or aid in scoring goals. Teams go in and out of them shift by shift and change even during shifts. Tampa is not the only team in that system at times...they all use it. Including the Flyers. Basically just a trap type system. Laviolette doing this right off the bat is hilarious but he is not immune to using basically the same system.

[archibalduk]

Players are now completely unsure of the rules in regards to goalies. Some are asking (at least in Van)...okay so we can run over a goalie, with no attempt to get out of the way, and the only repercussion might be a 2 min penalty? Hmm...think it might be worth it? This was a BIG mistake by Shanny.

I have no doubt Looch did not intend to injure Miller...but....something stronger needed to be done here. Players need to be very clear on the rules, and they are not now. What the heck?

Yep, I completely agree. It is clear from the replays that Lucic had plenty of time to move out of the way. He even seemed to raise and push/shove his arms against Miller - surely that's no accident (see roughly 0:47 into the video below) or at least it was very reckless (rather than merely an accidental collision). I really like Lucic, but I felt he was out of line there and deserved a game or two suspension.

Equally, I'm really not convinced about Miller's claim of concussion. Lucic didn't touch his head...

[batdad]

Milan definitely causes Miller's head to move violently in that impact. I don't doubt at all from what i see that Miller has a concussion. Of course though I know those football, futball or soccer tough guys would be fine!!

[archibalduk]

Ha well of course; football players are hard as nails!

[philou21]

Omg this is just disgusting to watch.

[Danny]

Milan definitely causes Miller's head to move violently in that impact. I don't doubt at all from what i see that Miller has a concussion. Of course though I know those football, futball or soccer tough guys would be fine!!

Nobody knows at which point Miller suffered his concussion, that's a fact. People supporting a suspension for Lucic need to stop conveniently overlooking the collision with Seguin, Miller fell on his ass pretty hard with his head moving violently as well, but remained on the ice after both collisions. This type of hit isn't a suspendable offence at all IMO without the injury factor and at this point it's merely an assumption that Lucic injured him. I'm not sure suspending based on assumptions and maybes sends the right message either. Concurrently Lucic should've been suspended for at least 5 games if there was clearcut evidence it was his hit that caused the injury. I'm not a blind homer, unless we play the Habs or Habs West , Marchand should've been gone for at least 10 games for his Cooke-esque headshot on some Jackets player last season as I mentioned back then here, instead of the two he got, I was kind of surprised this one went away so quietly, but I've got a hard time accepting a suspension when you don't even know if the hit caused an injury at all.

In addition...the conspiracy theorists are out and about again in regards to everything that brings the Bruins to league office (either with them being bad guys (lucic on Miller, Chara on Pacioretty... the whole team earlier in the year...the guy who crushed Raymond's spine), or the offendee side of it (Horton vs Rome, Savard 20000 times) that the Bruins are getting favorable results. Ugh I hate those people.

Yeah that Savard/Cooke incident ended really favourably for the Bs
Conspiracy theorists are not worth the time, they've made up their mind already and will not listen to any arguments anyway. Maybe Julien and Neely need to whine to the media as much as Ruff everytime someone lays an illegal hit on one of their players for people to finally see the Bruins are at the receiving end of dirty hits that never end in a suspension just as often as any other team. Wonder what Ruff has to say about Gaustad's post-whistle crosscheck to Emelin's face vs the Habs last night. Lucic once got suspended for that, in the playoffs to boot.