Exercising an option in a negotiated collective bargaining agreement is not breaking a contract.Primis wrote:Since teams have been able to waive and buy out players whether the players want to be or not (aka go back on THEIR commitment) I don't agree with this. Both sides have found ways to break contracts.
I don't know if I would like this though. This year was special because the cap will drop a little bit but after that, it would be too easy for the GM to change their bad decisions from the past. If they're making the mistakes of signing overrated players then they should get stuck with them and suffer the consequences.nino33 wrote:Personally I wish players could be bought out like this every year (the bought out players still receive millions and can continue their careers)
Exactly! Why should the fans pay for it? Why should a new GM pay for the mistakes of the previous? But mostly I wrote what I did just because I think it would make the game better IMO...what is called parity by some I call mediocrity, and I don't like video game style player movement and I'm tired of constant financial talk (I could care less about the Cap anymore really, and if the NHL won't reduce the teams than talent redistribution essentially would...that's just what I'd prefer)philou21 wrote: it would be too easy for the GM to change their bad decisions from the past. If they're making the mistakes of signing overrated players then they should get stuck with them and suffer the consequences.
Didn'T saw it that way though, you're right at some point. Maybe new GMs could have the right to buy out two players at their first year?nino33 wrote:Exactly! Why should the fans pay for it? Why should a new GM pay for the mistakes of the previous? But mostly I wrote what I did just because I think it would make the game better IMO...
It's true though that teams who are trapped with average players with big contracts can't put new rosters that could make the team better and more interesting to watch.
Because if a GM does not like a team's situation, he shouldn't take that job? Nobody's putting a gun to their heads, making them take that job and be in that situation.nino33 wrote:Exactly! Why should the fans pay for it? Why should a new GM pay for the mistakes of the previous?philou21 wrote: it would be too easy for the GM to change their bad decisions from the past. If they're making the mistakes of signing overrated players then they should get stuck with them and suffer the consequences.
Me too. It's the lock-out that really takes the biscuit for me. The first one I experienced wasn't all that much fun but the second one has really left a bad taste in my mouth, especially as it was so soon after the previous one. It feels a bit like we'll get one each time the CBA expires.nino33 wrote:I'm no fan of the owners! But I just don't care anymore about the business side of hockey at all
Jagr went to KHL after his NHL contract had expired. That's huge difference between him and Kovalchuk. Maybe it was not the right step for him but it was absolutely legal and fair.Primis wrote: Some day we're going to look back at Jagr's KHL stint, and Kovalchuk's, and some of these other guys, and we're all going agree "Wow, they really blew it".
It also was him losing years he could gave still been very productive at the NHL level, and I bet he wishes he had them back now. Because he's nowhere near the same player.McQwak wrote:Jagr went to KHL after his NHL contract had expired. That's huge difference between him and Kovalchuk. Maybe it was not the right step for him but it was absolutely legal and fair.Primis wrote: Some day we're going to look back at Jagr's KHL stint, and Kovalchuk's, and some of these other guys, and we're all going agree "Wow, they really blew it".
I don't think North Americans ever even think about playing overseas as they grow up...ever.Primis wrote:It also was him losing years he could gave still been very productive at the NHL level, and I bet he wishes he had them back now. Because he's nowhere near the same player.McQwak wrote:Jagr went to KHL after his NHL contract had expired. That's huge difference between him and Kovalchuk. Maybe it was not the right step for him but it was absolutely legal and fair.Primis wrote: Some day we're going to look back at Jagr's KHL stint, and Kovalchuk's, and some of these other guys, and we're all going agree "Wow, they really blew it".
If Jagr'd been playing in CZE I'd maybe think differently. But Russia isn't Czech Republic.nino33 wrote:I don't think North Americans ever even think about playing overseas as they grow up...ever.
But a European/Russian player would obviously feel very different...I can't see Jagr feeling he blew it, or wishing he had spent more time in North America
I would think many European/Russians wish they could stay in their own country (or at least much closer to "home") for their career, and not "have to" go to NA
But it's a lot closer to home!Primis wrote:If Jagr'd been playing in CZE I'd maybe think differently. But Russia isn't Czech Republic.
That's your opinionPrimis wrote:Quite frankly, why do you think Jagr came bacK to the NHL if he was happy to play in Europe? Simple: the grass wasn't greener in the KHL. If it was, he wouldn't be bouncing from PHI to DAL to BOS to who-knows-where now, he'd still be there, probably making a lot more money.
"I" think Jagr probably went to KHL because he got a very good salary there, and he didn't have to "fight" anyone to become a firstliner there either...
My understanding is this only applies to a Russian player, and only one per team (otherwise the KHL Cap was 36.5 million last year, the NHL 70.2 million)jhcjobpb wrote:Right now NHL can't win KHL when it comes to "money"... based on the salaries
I think things like this are a factor too for many Europeans/Russians (plus things like fewer games to play, less hitting/physical play/defense, etc)...and I think these things factor in for some of the North Americans playing overseas too!jhcjobpb wrote:and he didn't have to "fight" anyone to become a firstliner there either
Just my opinion, but I don't think the talent pool is enough to support 30 top teams worldwide (but then I don't accept the NHL game as great...I think it's mediocre/boring because there's to many teams); and the KHL reminds me a lot of the WHAjhcjobpb wrote:I think it's good for the "hockey" that there's another league that is "challenging" the NHL.
Good one!Doomski wrote:Finally Glen Metropolit is getting the honour he deserves
Because the NHL hates anything that fans might actually like and want.bruins72 wrote:If these new division names aren't going to be geographically accurate, why couldn't they have just gone back to the old school division names? Those were so much better.
I guess they didn't had a choice to put Columbus there since it isn't as near the atlantic as MTL, OTT or TOR.timmy_t wrote:The grouping of teams in the West seems a lot better than the East. Why are Tampa and Florida in the same division as Toronto? Columbus is in the "Metropolitan" division ? I don't get it!
And to make it worse, they took several months to come up with these names...Primis wrote:Because the NHL hates anything that fans might actually like and want.bruins72 wrote:If these new division names aren't going to be geographically accurate, why couldn't they have just gone back to the old school division names? Those were so much better.
Hehe brilliant!!Doomski wrote:Finally Glen Metropolit is getting the honour he deserves
I'd like a Pronger Division too (Sean, that is; not Chris). Perhaps also a Jason Doig Division and a Biznasty Division. There, that took me all of 20 seconds to think of and it's better than the rubbish the NHL has come up with! 
archibalduk wrote:And to make it worse, they took several months to come up with these names...Primis wrote:Because the NHL hates anything that fans might actually like and want.bruins72 wrote:If these new division names aren't going to be geographically accurate, why couldn't they have just gone back to the old school division names? Those were so much better.
Hehe brilliant!!Doomski wrote:Finally Glen Metropolit is getting the honour he deserves