Player Average Rating

[greaterone66]

So, sometimes Ill be a few years in and get this awesome prospect who just develops into an absolute monster. The issue is, they play bad. Their average rating hovers the upper 6s and if Im lucky 7.0 on the dot. Is there anything you can do to help a player bring it to the ice better? Ive tried different lines, tactics, and positions and same results.

All help is appreciated!

[Canadian Passport]

I don't put a lot of trust in the ratings. Depending on their position or role a player can play very well and still not get a high rating. How are his stats for the role he's filling?

Or, it's possible those players are just underachievers and always will be.

[greaterone66]

I don't put a lot of trust in the ratings. Depending on their position or role a player can play very well and still not get a high rating. How are his stats for the role he's filling?

Or, it's possible those players are just underachievers and always will be.

Here is the player in question currently: https://gyazo.com/433dff4221d4a1daca74fc6c4e613ff7

Ive had this issue with other players as well before. He is a 5 star player and has the attributes to back it up, but is putting up mediocre numbers and continues to have a below average rating. Really just want to see if there is way to push a player.

[Asher413]

Some background supporting questions (not attacking you as being wrong at all, just trying to get the full picture):

What kind of linemates? How is your team (If he's playing with poor forwards, few powerplays etc it would hurt his scoring)? What's your general team scoring (goals per game)? What's the line/team/personal tactics? Has he done this year over year, or is this his first year in the NHL? How were his stats in other leagues? It's possible (again, flimsy) that he's not NHL ready yet. What's his icetime even, PP and PK?

Some possible explainations (very flimsy): No agility at all, not great anticipation and so so work rate, those could keep him from being as good as his technicals show.

This may help either way.

[nino33]

I too never put a lot of value on the AvR.....I notice he's slow, and lacks Anticipation and Aggression & his visible Attributes average 13.6 (so he's no "monster" by that standard http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 10&t=16777).....I also note he's only 22

The best skills seem to be shooting oriented, so with a slow pace style and a good playmaker perhaps the goals scored would increase

That's my two cents

[greaterone66]

Some background supporting questions (not attacking you as being wrong at all, just trying to get the full picture):

What kind of linemates? How is your team (If he's playing with poor forwards, few powerplays etc it would hurt his scoring)? What's your general team scoring (goals per game)? What's the line/team/personal tactics? Has he done this year over year, or is this his first year in the NHL? How were his stats in other leagues? It's possible (again, flimsy) that he's not NHL ready yet. What's his icetime even, PP and PK?

Some possible explainations (very flimsy): No agility at all, not great anticipation and so so work rate, those could keep him from being as good as his technicals show.

This may help either way.

Yeah, by monster, I meant his technicals. I also noticed the things he lacked, but I have seen players that have had terrible anticipation and work rate and put up great ratings and killed it. His linemates are also great and are preforming very well. Both his linemates are around the PPG area and put up nearly 8 ratings. I understand some players just wont preform, just wasnt sure if there wasa way to help a player be pushed.

[nino33]

Yeah, by monster, I meant his technicals.

Technicals average out to 14.3 (which isn't much better); he's seems slow to me, physically (skating) and mentally (Anticipation/hockey sense)

With his Shooting and Off the Puck Attributes I think his linemates should be feeding him the puck (I notice he's only got 78 shots in 55 games, and you note his linemates are putting up points...seems like it might not be the best matchup of skills, style and/or tactics for the line)

I understand some players just wont preform, just wasnt sure if there wasa way to help a player be pushed.

He's only 22 and averaging 0.47 PPG so seems he's performing at least OK to me (and still opportunity to grow!) - IRL last year in the NHL among forwards 0.47 PPG is near the bottom of the top 180, but still a top 6 forward by points!

The Consistency may be an issue (I notice in his last 5 games he's got an 8 and a 9 and three 6s), but with his Shooting and Off the Puck ability he should be getting a lot more shots IMO

That's my two cents

Four cents now

[Canadian Passport]

I don't put a lot of trust in the ratings. Depending on their position or role a player can play very well and still not get a high rating. How are his stats for the role he's filling?

Or, it's possible those players are just underachievers and always will be.

Here is the player in question currently: https://gyazo.com/433dff4221d4a1daca74fc6c4e613ff7

Ive had this issue with other players as well before. He is a 5 star player and has the attributes to back it up, but is putting up mediocre numbers and continues to have a below average rating. Really just want to see if there is way to push a player.

I don't agree with you on his attributes, I'd call him a poor man's Ryan Getzlaf. I think I'm looking at a really good AHL power forward but not quite ready to be consistent in the NHL. He's got a great shot but he's not an outright scorer and lacks the physical ability to exploit space, he can pass very well but he's not a playmaker. He's strong and has great balance but even at 207 he's lacking some size by NHL standards and isn't really that aggressive and his deflection attribute is only so-so. I think the one thing I'd do with him in the NHL is make sure he's shooting from the circles on the power play and never even sniffs the PK because he's a defensive liability right now.

He's only 22 and hopefully has a way to go to reach his potential but all you can do is give him time. I would have kept him in the AHL but apparently that ship has sailed and really he's not bad, he seems to be doing alright although a little inconsistent but that's not unusual for a 22 year old.

[greaterone66]

How would I position him personally to shoot out of the circle? EHM is always teaching me new things, so I didnt know you could place an individual in a certain style on the powerplay. I know you can change unit tactics and overall tactics and personal tactics, but not placement of the individual.

[Canadian Passport]

How would I position him personally to shoot out of the circle? EHM is always teaching me new things, so I didnt know you could place an individual in a certain style on the powerplay. I know you can change unit tactics and overall tactics and personal tactics, but not placement of the individual.

I probably shouldn't have said anything about the circles, I don't know anything about the rest of your team and shooting from the circles may not be the best way for you to play on the PP, only you know your team.

As long as you're setting your lines and tactics you can play a player anywhere. In the unit tactics tab you can see in the tactical positioning screen where players are positioned in the different tactics. For example, if you have umbrella selected for the PP you'll see the LW in the left circle and the RD in the right circle so you just assign your shooters to one of those positions in the PP lines. If you change from umbrella to something else you'll see their new positioning so maybe then you change where your players are playing to take advantage of their skills in the new tactic because the LW in the umbrella plays a lot different than the LW in a 2-1-2 PP and requires different skills.

[CJ]

He might have low consistency and off/def role also.

[StuckInThe90s]

I would seldom wonder how those ratings are generated. I'm guessing a good sum of it has to do with how many times the player gets the puck. I know a few things about soccer (or football) scouting and ratings. Good ratings favor the player who gets the ball to him the most.

[nine-o]

The average ratings system kills me, because it seems to always punish my dedicated PK guys with lower ratings and (or maybe this is just me drawing an association where none exists) lower attribute development... even when the PK is tops in the league, those ratings are in the dumps. I feel like the simulation itself is so well done (I mean, you watch those little circles play a game, and the similarities with real hockey are actually pretty striking) that using something simple, like Corsi (basically just a plus/minus on shots) would give a much better rating.

...which is probably something I should tell the developers, and not an online forum, but sometimes a guy just likes to complain haha.

[philou21]

We have already discussed this here and I think Riz knows about it too that defensive players are not rewarded like they should.

Unfortunately I think this would need a modification in the game engine and since Riz is the only one working on the game right now and he does so when he has free time, he prefers to work on bugs and optimization of the game rather than bigger "issues".

I would like to see my defensive players get better ratings too but at least for now, even when they have bad ratings if you know they do the job that's the most important.

Anyway, I dunno if what I'm saying to you is right but I hope I answered a bit your question.

[nine-o]

Totally, appreciate the background as I'm new to the forum and don't have a tonne of time to read through everything. No expectations from me really, I'm a computer programmer - I know the drill haha. Corsi seems simple, that's probably a better way of phrasing it. Either way, its nitpicking - great game, especially considering a single dev is the brains behind it. Pretty impressive.

[pantsukki]

Another unfortunate effect of the lower ratings of defensive players is that it seems to affect their morale, so that they are often below normal morale. I don't know, but I would guess that morale affects on-ice production, which leads to even worse performance.

[philou21]

I agree. I can deal with their average rating but having them most of the time depressed sucks a bit. They also get targeted easily by the media. I remember that in my game in the OHL, my defensive center was getting attack at least 1 time per month. I couldn't take it anymore after 3 years.

[Shindigs]

Don't know if you use any save game scout or db editor. But if you do, look up his consistency and temperament. I don't know why temperament is insanely powerful for scorers. But it is, in sweden almost all prospects with set attributes don't have their Temperament set, and if that low rolls they are 0.5 PPG, if it highrolls they are in the 1.3 PPG range. And Joel Eriksson Ek is technically a swedish prospect, although already drafted. So maybe his Temp also is undefined at the start of the game. Another thing to keep in mind is overstacked lines, if you have 3 insane point-scorers on one line. Someone is going to get left out a bit, especially if you have really good off/2way Dmen, if they "steal" a lot of the secondary assists it's quite possible he's just the odd man out. But you had tested him on other lines right?

Just looking at him I'd be quite disappointed in myself to get less than ~75-80 points a season out of him. Do you use personal tactics at all? To me he looks like a:
Mentality: Offensive
Aggression: Normal
Hitting: Hard
Tempo: High
Passing: Creative
Shooting: Heavy

Shoot/Pass Bias: Pass
Join the Rush: Ticked

playing with that and free-flowing, grouped, overload slot on essentially any line I don't see how he wouldn't be at least a top 11 pointscorer in the NHL an average year. Sure the 9 anticipation isn't exactly sexy. But I had Scheifele win the Art Ross with 10 or 11 anticipation as the Jets, so it shouldn't be tanking him that hard.