Offensive D not being offensive?

[chadbrochill17]

Hey guys Ive got some top end defensemen that are "offensive #1's" and they arent scoring like what im used to seeing from an offensive #1.

Ive got e.karlson and hes only got 22 points in 44 games putting out 7.5avr's
also
zack werenski with 11 points in 33 games with 7.5avrs

They are playing with Seguin, middlestad, and svechnikov on the first line, all 3 of these guys are 1ppg

Am i missing something? I traded a lot to get a LD for karlson in werenski and he is suckin the D!

[Kopi]

I always pair an offensive D with defensive D. Put in personal settings to offensive D shooting as preference or what ever you want him to do. Most important is that you give a team time to adjust new tactics..sometimes they will struggle for half a season and then boom. Could be as well a problem with your Forwards...rotate and find a good combination.

[chadbrochill17]

hmm I dont have any defensive D, they are all offensive. I will try putting a different forward with them, i have JVR i could put instead of middlestad but hes so much better than JVR.

I didnt know that the team takes time to adjust to tactics changes, how about coming back from injuries? it could be possible thats it.

[chadbrochill17]

Are there any more active means of communicating with people about EHM? This forum seems fairly dead.

[philou21]

Ah! You're on the more complete forum for info about EHM. You simply need to search the threads when no one is replying...yes there was more people a couple of months ago but we are probably still the more active forum for that game.

[nino33]

I suggest the Game Knowledge Forum http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=17
There's an enormous amount of information there that will help you enormously in better understanding EHM and how to play it - but you'll have to do some reading

I would go farther than "the more complete forum for info about EHM" I'd call TBL more complete than all other EHM related sites combined!

It's all there, TONS of stuff to help you understand/improve
The fact that others may not want to rewrite what's already been written about (multiple times) is understandable IMO

[Shindigs]

Offensive Dmen point production is a bit weird in EHM. The general gist of it is that players who should be poor at producing points will generally be able to produce more points than expected in EHM. Whereas players who should be able to put up insane numbers will generally put up a lot less in EHM. If you want a Dman to actually put up real point totals you will have to use proper personal tactics for him and have him either play half-boards or point on your PP unit. And don't expect your offensive D to score goals, some seasons they will. But dman shot% fluctuates so much that the same dman can go from 10-20 goals from season to season with absolutely nothing changing other than the luck of hit shot% from year to year. Generally speaking though Offensive Dmen are just assist machines in EHM. That's what they excel at. But someone like Karlsson and Burns won't ever get close to their real life numbers in EHM. I tried upping Karlsson's values in the db to absurd levels to try and get him to be able to score as much as he did in the 15-16 season in real life. Without personal tactics it's simply not possible to get that level of scoring out of your dman. But you can get a dman to score a pretty silly amount over his career using personal tactics:

That's what my 1st PP pointman did in my Jets save. He wasn't too insane as far as attribute went, barely even a Franchise player. But with the right setup your players can really outperform their attributes.

The settings I used for him are over in the tactics threads in the game knowledge forums.

Unlike Forwards your dmen won't really hit peak point production until their mid/late 20s. They need those extra points of anticipation and creativity (as well as temperament) that they gain with age/playoff experience a lot more than forwards do.

As you can see 2031-32 he's almost 100 points, then the next year he's barely above 70 then almost 100 again. Literally nothing changed other than his shot% randomly going from 9 to 4 to 7. Causing that dip in the middle. So there is a much larger element of chance in getting top level dman performance, whereas with forwards it's a lot easier to replicate reliably. Also a lot of the "assists" are rebound goals, so their conversion from shots to shots on goal also correlate to their assists in a season. So really all the point production a dman gets (at least with how I utilize them) is relying on how well they happen to shoot that season. Which is also the same reason why PP% fluctuate from season to season. It's almost entirely based on something you have little to no control over.