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Well I took a cue from the existing Paris team and shortened it...we'll see what you think.

Finalizing some big tweaks for NHL32X 2.0. Here are the six new WHA franchises that will bring the league total to 24 and give us an even 12/12 split between North America and Europe. The six new clubs will be part of the new Central Europe division. And it keeps the WHA in big, prime capital cities and cosmopolitan cities (Milan's not a capital per se but still a very world city).

You'll notice a couple things up front:

1) The teams are all new. I decided to go this route so that I could implement the WHA without changing the make-up of other leagues in the game which are still reality-based.

2) The names have been "North Americanized". This is on purpose to keep a similar look and feel to all the teams in the league. I know it feels against tradition for some but keep in mind these are all new clubs and an all new league. It's meant to be different. And it's still a North American-based league (technically).

Budapest Bears
- The Budapest Bears take their identity from current Hungarian club MAC Újbuda. MAC will continue to play in the Hungarian league on the "Buda" side of the city but existing modern arena Papp Laszlo Sportarena (capacity 12,500) will serve as home to the WHA's Bears.
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Kyiv Falcons
- The Falcons of course are based on traditional Ukrainian power Sokol Kiev, who sent many prospects to the NHL draft in the 80's and 90's. Sokol no longer exists - the WHA's Falcons are their spiritual successor and will play in a brand new arena, 16,000 seat Obolon Arena.
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Milan Vipers
- The Vipers are a resurrection of the former Italian champions. HC Milano RossoBlu will continue to play in the AlpsHL but the WHA club will bring back the "Vipers" nickname from the past while marrying it to the classic Milan red and blue colors. The brand new Luxottica Arena, capacity 17,500, will be their home.
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Prague Lions
- The Lions are a direct re-birth of the former KHL team Lev Praha, who enjoyed a successful, if very brief, stint in that league a few years ago. The KHL's loss is the WHA's gain as the league moves into former KHL territory. The Lions will of course play their games in Prague's well-known O2 Arena, capacity over 17,000.
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Vienna Eagles
- Austria will be represented in their capital city by the Eagles while the Vienna Capitals will continue to play EBEL. Red Bull was considered by logistically, Vienna made more sense than Salzburg for the WHA. The Eagles will take to the ice at a renovated Wiener Stadhalle, capacity 15,000.
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Warsaw Legion
- Much like Kyiv, Warsaw's team is a direct descendant from a former team in Poland, Legia Warszawa. Maintaining the old club crest and colors, the WHA's Legion will play in a brand new, state of the art area seating 17,000 - PKO BP Arena.
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Also, Paris has gotten a make-over for this update, with the boring PSG copied identity replaced by the Paris Flyers, a riff on the current Division 3 based Paris club, the Français Volants Paris. They get a stylish and classic winged logo.
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And finally, the WHA gets a sleek new logo that represents the two sides of the ocean, North America and Europe, coming together to form a dynamic international club league.
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Running some tests before releasing the 24-team WHA...some interesting observations:

- I started the test with the WHA teams just filled with fake players, so the first couple years were kinda rough - although Paris managed to make it to the ICC Final before losing to Linkoping from Sweden that very first season.

- It's 2023 and the highest profile player signed by a WHA club is probably Vasili Podkolzin who is on a 2-year, $5 million deal with Brussels. He was drafted in the top 10 by the Rangers in 2019 but never signed, staying in the KHL before jumping to Brussels this past off-season. He's one of the highest scorers in the league and I'm sure the Rangers want to sign him but I think he can still only sign an entry -level NHL deal which is a far cry from what he is making in the WHA which may be why he hasn't gone to the NHL yet.

- The Euro clubs do a really go job of pulling in the top players from their respective countries. Prague is almost completely an all-Czech line-up save for a sprinkling of other nationalities. Jan Kovar, Libor Sulak, Libor Hajek Radko Gudas are some of their top players (obviously the creme of the crop plays in the NHL still). Warsaw features 6 of the 9 top reputation Polish players. The top 7 Ukraine players in reputation all suit up for Kyiv. 4 of the top 5 Italian players already play for Milan. Austria is a bit more varied with only 4 of their top 9 playing for Vienna (their top player is young star Marco Rossi who plays for the Avs). London has gobbled up the top young British talents (Liam Kirk, Mason Alderson, Kieran Brown, etc). Brussels has a few Belgian-born players but the game has yet to generate a ton of good Belgian players so they are mostly foreign. Same for Budapest with Hungary, Amsterdam with the Netherlands and same for Paris and French players...ironically the top young French player, Alexandre Texier, plays for rivals Kyiv. Copenhagen has a few top Danes but the best Danes are still in the NHL. Oslo has had the hardest time attracting their top national talent - GET Ligaen club Storhamar actually has more top Norwegians and the top guy, Mathias Emilio Petterssen plays for the Flames.

Here's the IIHF world ranking of European clubs with WHA teams (keep in mind it's only 2023 - any lasting impact on development due to higher reputation teams will likely take a decade or more to really make a big impact):

Norway: 5th
Great Britain: 6th
Poland: 7th
Ukraine: 8th
Italy: 10th
Hungary: 12th
Czech Republic: 15th
Denmark: 18th
France: 23rd
Austria: 24th
Netherlands: 27th
Belgium: 29th

Now I'm not sure how the rankings are figured - the Czech ranking is shocking but they are still in the top tier in all competitions and as competitive as usual while Italy ranked 5 spots ahead are still in Division 1B of the Worlds, for example. Meanwhile, my how Britain, Poland and Ukraine have climbed!

- A lot of good young goalies have filled the league - Ian Scott, Michael DiPietro, Colin Delia, etc. Looks like younger netminders with NHL talent but who are sick of waiting around as backups find the WHA a good place to go to enhance their skills. Most still have their NHL rights retained so it's almost like getting loaned out but at a step higher than the AHL.

- Some other top picks populating the league in 2023 include Pavel Zacha, Anthony Cirelli, Christian Fischer, Dante Fabbro, Michael McLeod, Noah Juulsen, Caleb Jones, Max Jones, Shane Bowers, Klim Kostin, Niklas Nordgren, Josh Brook, Ian Mitchell, Evan Barrett, Boris Katchouk, Sean Durzi, Nick Hague, Haydn Fleury, Victor Soderstrom (2019 draft), Nolan Maier (2019 draft), Theodor Niederbach (2020 draft), Niko Huuhtanen (2021 draft) and others.

- Because teams have ample financial power, it appears trading is somewhat limited between computer controlled teams. I'm seeing between 2-5 trades per year. Teams are between $10-30 million under the cap and it's mid-season so I may bump the league cap and financials down. As has been pointed out, doesn't look like teams are fully realizing their financial power. A lower cap may encourage more trading. But I also want teams to have financial flexibility to offer young stars like Podkolzin big-money deals.

- Overall scoring is lower than the NHL but higher than the KHL. Flirting with a PPG average (so 68 in 68 in a full WHA season) appears to be similar to flirting with 100 points in the NHL - only the top player are doing it.
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Looking very good ! Thanks a lot on bringing these in the game, it makes it very refreshing :)
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Hi bK ! Thanks for your amazing work. I m really gestion in the Seattle expansion and NHL 32 but I m not a fan of WHA. For your next release, will you make a separte database with only Seattle and not WHA ? And a third one with Seattle and Coyotes moving to Quebec ?

Thank you one more time !
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I'm going to release the next update with an import file you can install with the Editor that will take the WHA out of it. For now, I'm not going to do any other databases though so you'll have to switch Arizona and Quebec yourself in the Editor manually. Sorry! Just not enough time for me to keep a bunch of different databases updated.
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That s sound good BK. Thank you ! Is it working (schedule, etc.) to rework the divisions and conference if I will and Québec in place of Arizona ?
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I saw a little bug, during the first year Canada play une world junior championship U-20 Div 1 and are ranking 11th in world ranking
i don't know if it's normal or not
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kev26 wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:14 pm I saw a little bug, during the first year Canada play une world junior championship U-20 Div 1 and are ranking 11th in world ranking
i don't know if it's normal or not
Oh appreciate the heads up, I had updated all IIHF world rankings except Canda for some reason and since it is cumulutive, it knocked them down to like 11th in the world instead of #1. It's fixed for the next update but here's a quick manual fix in the editor if anybody doesn't want to wait:

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BKarchitect wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:52 pm
kev26 wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:14 pm I saw a little bug, during the first year Canada play une world junior championship U-20 Div 1 and are ranking 11th in world ranking
i don't know if it's normal or not
Oh appreciate the heads up, I had updated all IIHF world rankings except Canda for some reason and since it is cumulutive, it knocked them down to like 11th in the world instead of #1. It's fixed for the next update but here's a quick manual fix in the editor if anybody doesn't want to wait:

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thanks,

you made a fantastic job on your database by the way, really fun to play with
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So latest testing on the latest version of NHL32X is going great. I've re-done an entire WHAII second division that reaches into some more smaller hockey markets to serve as farm clubs for the main WHA teams. What is really cool is the variety that the new leagues are creating in the NHL Draft. And I'm not talking about 50 years down the road, I'm seeing the influx immediately. The database goes up to the 2023 draft with real prospects (well plus Aron Kiviharju for 2024) so starting with 2024, here is the nationality breakdown of the first all-CPU generated classes:

2024
Austria: 1 (4th Round)
Belgium: 3 (2nd Round, 3rd Round, 5th Round)
Belarus: 5 (1st Round, 2nd Round, 5th Round, two 7th Round)
Canada: 90
China: 2 (1st Round, 5th Round)
Czech: 8
Denmark: 3 (3rd Round, 5th Round, 7th Round)
Finland: 14
France: 1 (2nd Round)
Germany: 5 (3rd Round, two 4th Round, 6th Round, 7th Round)
Great Britain: 2 (2nd Round, 3rd Round)
Hungary: 1 (2nd Round)
Italy: 2 (4th Round, 6th Round)
Japan: 1 (4th Round)
Kazakhstan: 4 (2nd Round, 3rd Round, 4th Round, 5th Round)
Latvia: 2 (2nd Round, 5th Round)
Netherlands: 2 (1st Round, 2nd Round)
Norway: 2 (2nd Round, 7th Round)
Poland: None
Russa: 31
Slovenia: None
Switzerland: 9
Slovakia: 4
Sweden: 13
Ukraine: 1
United States: 17

2025
Austria: 2 (1st Round, 3rd Round)
Belgium: 3 (1st Round, 3rd Round, 4th Round)
Belarus: 4 (Two 1st round, two 2nd Round)
Canada: 102
China: 3 (1st Round, 2nd Round, 6th Round)
Czech: 4
Denmark: 1 (4th Round)
Finland: 16
France: 3 (1st Round, two 4th Round)
Germany: 3 (1st Round, 2nd Round, 3rd Round)
Great Britain: 1 (1st Round)
Hungary: 4 (Two 2nd Round, two 3rd Round)
Italy: 1 (2nd Round)
Japan: None
Kazakhstan: 3 (3rd Round, two 5th Round)
Latvia: 5 (Two 1st Round, three 3rd Round)
Netherlands: 3 (2nd Round, 3rd Round, 5th Round)
Norway: None
Poland: 1 (4th Round)
Russa: 21
Slovenia: 1 (1st Round)
Switzerland: 2
Slovakia: 5
Sweden: 13
Ukraine: None
United States: 23

2026
Austria: 2 (2nd Round, 4th Round)
Belarus: 2 (2nd Round, 7th Round)
Belgium: None
Canada: 78
China: 4 (Two 1st Round, 2nd Round, 4th Round)
Czech: 7
Denmark: 2 (Two 2nd Round)
Finland: 15
France: 2 (3rd & 4th Round)
Germany: 2 (3rd & 7th Round)
Great Britain: None
Hungary: 4 (Two 1st Round, 2nd Round, 3rd Round)
Italy: 5 (1st Round, 3rd Round, 4th Round, 5th Round, 7th Round)
Japan: 1 (5th Round)
Kazakhstan: 3 (2nd Round, 4th Round, 5th Round)
Latvia: 4 (4th Round, two 5th Round, 6th Round)
Netherlands: 7 (Three 1st Round, 3rd Round, two 4th Round, 5th Round)
Norway: None
Poland: None
Russia: 32
Slovenia: 4 (1st Round, 2nd Round, two 3rd Round)
Switzerland: 5
Slovakia: 3
Sweden: 14
Ukraine: None
United States: 29

Lots more variety in the talent pool! And not just late round picks, the influence of the WHA is seen in lots of highly drafted players from unique countries. I've also made it a point to make sure China becomes a rising power in the future and you can see that starting to happen. Countries like Hungary, the Netherlands and Italy all producing some big talents due to the WHA presence. It'll be interesting in this test to see if these players pan out or not and if their national teams start to make an impact in the World Cup and Olympics.

2026 made history as the first Hungarian player ever was taken first overall in the NHL Draft. Ádám Süveges was selected by Ottawa from the Hungarian Junioir league. The 18 year-old is known in his homeland as "Puskas on Ice" and will spend his first post-draft season with the WHA's Budapest Bears, where he signed a 3-year entry level deal but Ottawa will have the chance to sign him next off-season as his contract has an NHL-out clause.

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Hi bK ! Any news on the next NHL32 release ? Can't wait to try it ! Thank you for your work !
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Hey BK! Any news to share with us on the project? :notworthy:

There was a little naming error with either PSG or PSG reserve in the most recent DB, which caused the team logos not to display. Nothing big, but just a heads up if it aint corrected yet!
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So here's a pretty big teaser post for the upcoming release of NHL32X v3.0. Along with the usual updates and tweaks, the big news is the total make-over of the second tier WHA feeder league. It is now re-branded as the WHAII and the goal is to continue to grow and develop the game of hockey in new areas of the globe. It is fully playable as well! The WHA brands are thus:

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Like the WHA, the WHAII is a 2 conference, 4 division, 24 team league which follows the same schedule structure. League reputation is somewhere between the ECHL and SPHL to start or somewhere equivalent to the top flight leagues in countries like Denmark or Belarus; all teams are professional. It's not the highest level of play of course but remember this is A) a feeder league and B) bringing the game to under-served or brand new locations. Affiliations between WHA and WHAII teams are across division lines below:

WHA Division : WHAII Division
WHA United States : WHAII Mexico
WHA Canada : WHAII Canada
WHA Western Europe: WHAII Western Europe
WHA Central Europe: WHAII Central Europe

WHAII Mexico swallows up the existing Mexican domestic league and adds a couple teams to become the premier hockey league of Mexico and create a sharing of the game with the United States and vice versa.

WHAII Canada is of course more Canadian teams but in provinces and territories that are lacking in high-level professional hockey with a goal of generating new Canadian players from more far-flung and unique locations.

The WHAII European clubs are of course divided geographically but again, the locations are in countries that either have hockey but lack high-level professional leagues or in totally new locations to develop generations of players from new places.

Logo Credits: With 24 brand new clubs, it was fun creating identities for these teams. Please note however that the majority of artwork is not mine and please read the credit file in the spoiler below and with every NHL32X download for full info. As always, all my databases are strictly free and for fun and please do not distribute any of it without the credits file nor attempt to sell or profit off the work in any way.
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Without further adieu, here are the teams of the WHAII!

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WHAII Canada
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WHAII Central Europe
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Awesome, can't believe the amount of work you've put in this DB!

What sticks out though is the lack of "real" names for people from Greece, Macedonia and Albania - but I'm well aware that would be a lot of extra work as well. Now the game seems to randomly generate from a pool of existing names from other countries.

BTW, is there any way (or reason not to) remove for example the first name 'Test' in the databases? Kind of an immersion breaker at times!
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raipeh wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:30 pm BTW, is there any way (or reason not to) remove for example the first name 'Test' in the databases? Kind of an immersion breaker at times!
Yeah I once had a player named like Test 2967, he must have been an android...so there's some clean-up to be done with the names in the database. Also not great when half the Albanians or Macedonians come from like one family that I guess plays hockey really well! I'll filter through the really bad names for the next release but in the long-run, it would be nice to develop some better lists for some of these smaller countries. Doesn't look like there is an "import" feature in the editor for names though - that would make this an easier task.

EDIT: I may actually for the next release just for all the WHA countries go through their actual national football teams and make sure those names are in the database for their respective countries...seems like a quick way to get real names :-D

EDIT II: Looks like you can import names...this will go much quicker now!
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Please share those name lists if you can :)
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Hi BK! Big job put in this DB as always ! With the University Midterm week coming up in two weeks, I got a desire to write a diary on the forum and I'd like to use this DB to do it, with a watch game to see how the everything will develop in the new structure. Do you think the next update will be ready in this time frame? Otherwise, it really does not matter and I will find another way to write on the forum with another DB :) Good to you and do not stop the good work,

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Update probably Friday/Saturday area. Or I may hold off until the NHL trade deadline next Monday. Maybe both, the bulk of the work for the next update is done.

Thanks for the kind words would love to see some results in diary form!
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ECK - I’m literally just going through and adding first and last names for countries like Greece and Albania based on their national teams from Wikipedia. Unfortunately Archi has confirmed no import feature as of now so you’ll have to add all manually. Easiest way may be to just export names from my next db and just sort out the small countries and start typing them in the editor as new names. I can’t think of an easier way at the moment. Or just use wiki or some data online that has names. Not gonna lie, it’s a bit tedious.
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Hey if we weren't into tedious work we wouldn't be working on these DBs!
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How about Orlando WHA?
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BKarchitect wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:22 am ECK - I’m literally just going through and adding first and last names for countries like Greece and Albania based on their national teams from Wikipedia. Unfortunately Archi has confirmed no import feature as of now so you’ll have to add all manually. Easiest way may be to just export names from my next db and just sort out the small countries and start typing them in the editor as new names. I can’t think of an easier way at the moment. Or just use wiki or some data online that has names. Not gonna lie, it’s a bit tedious.
It's a bit of a fudge, but you could create new dummy staff with the relevant names and nationalities and then immediately retire them. This will get the names into the DB and retiring the staff would remove the dummy staff.

Obviously try it on a spare copy of the DB first!
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archibalduk wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:52 pm It's a bit of a fudge, but you could create new dummy staff with the relevant names and nationalities and then immediately retire them. This will get the names into the DB and retiring the staff would remove the dummy staff.

Obviously try it on a spare copy of the DB first!
This sounds like the best method for mass import, you could even use the same sheet, very easy.
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Basically came to reply - I just recently got back into EHM after a long hiatus, have played it on and off (more so off recently) for a really long time. This WHA update has me super excited to start going again and I can't wait for the second update. I don't even know if I have ever posted here - but I appreciate the hard work that must have went into this, and there's probably plenty of people like me who are going to get hours of entertainment from it! Awesome work.
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tutefruy wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:02 am Basically came to reply - I just recently got back into EHM after a long hiatus, have played it on and off (more so off recently) for a really long time. This WHA update has me super excited to start going again and I can't wait for the second update. I don't even know if I have ever posted here - but I appreciate the hard work that must have went into this, and there's probably plenty of people like me who are going to get hours of entertainment from it! Awesome work.
Thanks for the kind words!
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