NJ Coach Claude Julien Fired

holydogg · Post by **holydogg** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:00 pm

That's an surprising news...

ESPN article

jackknife77 · Post by **jackknife77** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:52 pm

its the second time Lou does that. Ftorek was the first victim. I can't see Julien beeing in a scandal.. might be only a stupid move from Lamoriello..

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:04 pm

Yeah...what the heck?

Post by **batdad** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:30 pm

mebbe Lou thinks this will allow him to go over the Player Salary Cap?

No seriously...there is something more than meets the eye here. Did Julien have some kind of scrap/affair with Brodeur? Something is fishy...

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:00 pm

There are some rumors about Julien not wanting to play Matvichuk, but that seems kind of weird.

Nevertheless, I'm not surprised he was fired, not at all.

Post by **batdad** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:03 pm

The other rumour has Julien having a disagreement with long time Devil player, and now long-term Devil assistant coach John MaClean. Trouble in paradise for sure. also there was something about a long meeting with Elias.

Nothing so far about Brodeur's ex-wife, which surprises me, considering the mentality of soooooooo many people in the world. Not shocked by this move however...the Devils will do just about anything.

Next season: NJ coach....Pat Burns.

MaClean is now really the coach, just not in name. Just like last season.

jackknife77 · Post by **jackknife77** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:38 pm

Systemfel wrote:There are some rumors about Julien not wanting to play Matvichuk, but that seems kind of weird.

Nevertheless, I'm not surprised he was fired, not at all.

Matvichuk doesnt play because Lou doesnt want to remove him from IR. Salary cap problems.

I hope NJ will be sweeped in 4 games in the playoff.. Lou has been barely cheating since the salary cap rules.

Post by **batdad** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:12 pm

No..I believe Matty can play now. The left over salary he has is not enough to put him over the salary cap limit. And no...Lou has not been cheating.

The rules is the rules, and Mogilny, Matvichuk, and Malakhov moves (3M)have all been made within the rules. Just barely, but they have been. This concept that Lou is the league, is as bad as when people used to accuse the Habs management of "owning" the NHL head office,and the NHL favoring them and forcing the refs to favor Montreal and then accused the Leafs of the same offence in the next breath.
Why now 15-20 years later do Habs, Leafs, Rangers fans (whose teams have all been accused of running the league office in the past) accuse the NJ management of running the office? Simple answer really...New Jersey wins ... all...the...time. Cause they are good. I am disappointed in the fact that zillions of fans from all teams do this "Lou owns the League!!!111! thing with New Jersey." It is silly.

Why the hell would the NHL want a team that draws 5000 fans to be in the Stanley Cup Final. Lowest ratings ever ... no chance in hell. If they could the League would be run "against" NJ and Lou so they were not a strong team, and "for" teams like the Rangers, Flyers, Kings, Islanders, Red Wings....and probably Habs, Loafs and Canucks...wake up people.

It is not Lou's fault that the NHL does not have enough teeth in the checking out the injured player on Long Term Injury Reserve to see if he is healthy...to force the Devils to pay a price or to have played Matty earlier and bite the bullet cap-wise. Now...Lou is gonna get Matty in the line up. He can afford to.

Lou is just the best and smartest darn GM out there. He rarely if ever makes a mistake. Wonder if he has this time though? He has stockpiled depth, played barely within the cap, and managed to keep his team on track. I betcha he gets Gomez signed for next season. Somehow, some way. Lou is brilliant.

..oh...and I hate the Devils, cause their style of play is boring. Not as boring as it once was...but still boring.

On topic: Firing Julien is odd...something major happened behind the scenes.

holydogg · Post by **holydogg** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:12 pm

jackknife77 wrote:Lou has been barely cheating since the salary cap rules.

The now famous Mogilny case was something...

Lou is master and commander in Deviland. Even God is second to him. There was surely something he didn't liked with Julien and flushed him away. That's sad but so true.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:21 pm

What gets me is that the coach of a division leading team is fired while Dave Lewis coached the Bruins into the conference cellar and he's been assured that he'll be back next year. I just don't get it.

Post by **batdad** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:33 pm

The Bruins are not exactly known for being smart and progressive over the years are they? Nor do they pay coaches to sit and watch them play. At least not very often. Ownership..similar to Chicago is the problem in Beantown.

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:38 pm

Yes, Matvichuk can play now, but maybe Julien didn't want to play a guy who's been sitting for 78 games.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:56 pm

batdad wrote:The Bruins are not exactly known for being smart and progressive over the years are they? Nor do they pay coaches to sit and watch them play. At least not very often. Ownership..similar to Chicago is the problem in Beantown.

Ownership was the problem back in the old days of the pre-cap NHL. I don't see how they can be the Bruins problem now though. The Bruins are spending what they're allowed under the cap or pretty close to it. I don't think that Jeremy Jacobs (the Bruins owner) is sending down word that he wants the team to suck. In the past, he used to prevent the management from spending but these days, they've got the full cap to work with. I think the Bruins' current suck-itude pretty much comes down to Dave Lewis. He's the one who kept playing the team's best defensive forward (Axelsson) on the top scoring line all season... even after he kept missing scoring chance after scoring chance. He's the one who gave all the icetime to older veterans who are better off as 3rd or 4th line talent (like Primeau, Donovan, Mowers, Hoggan, and York). He's the one who wouldn't give any of the younger talent a chance to show what they could do and when they did play, they'd be benched after their first mistake.

No... Lewis is definitely the problem this time around.

Post by **batdad** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:25 pm

Julien definitely did not want to play Matvichuk. But that is not all there is to it I am sure.

Yep...Lewis sucks. No question I agree with that. I was being a bit fascetious with the comments comparing Boston now to Chicago. But the Bruins are paying too much for many of their players if they are right at the cap. Chara/Savard aside. Bad decisions from further up than the coach me thinks.

Back to topic: Lou says the players all know why Julien was replaced, or at least they should. If they don't they are blind. So clearly....something more than the Matvichuk not playing thing.

Thundercleese · Post by **Thundercleese** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:32 pm

Dave Lewis is a terrifying man, that's why he's coming back. Look at him and think of the most infamous person you can imagine and the similarity is spine-curdling and blood-tingling.

This kind of decision, regardless of why it happened, can't be good for the Devils' chances. Instability like this, especially late in the season, destroys teams.

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:33 pm

Julien will apparently be staying with the Devils organization.

Post by **batdad** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:32 pm

This kind of decision, regardless of why it happened, can't be good for the Devils' chances. Instability like this, especially late in the season, destroys teams.

Except in NJ where it has resulted in a Stanley Cup win in the past. Robinson>Ftorek. I honestly think that NJ players were not playing for Julien and wanted him out. Now....watch out. Lou/Godfather/Satan himself is back running the whole show. This could be bad news for the Sabres.

holydogg · Post by **holydogg** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:38 pm

batdad wrote: Except in NJ where it has resulted in a Stanley Cup win in the past. Robinson>Ftorek. I honestly think that NJ players were not playing for Julien and wanted him out. Now....watch out. Lou/Godfather/Satan himself is back running the whole show. This could be bad news for the Sabres.

Yeah, just heard in the media that maybe the veterans puschted Julien, volontary or not. "Yeah Lou, but its not like when we were with Pat or Larry"

The funniest factor I heard is that it is a purge against French-speaking personnel as a backlash of the Doan-Coderre case.... Really paranoiac lunatic.

jackknife77 · Post by **jackknife77** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:36 am

Lou isnt a god.. Brodeur is a God. Devils wouldnt have problem with the cap with his 2 signing ( mogilny and malakhov).
Wiithout brodeur.. he might look like bobby Clark right now.

holydogg · Post by **holydogg** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:38 am

jackknife77 wrote:Lou isnt a god.. Brodeur is a God. Devils wouldnt have problem with the cap with his 2 signing ( mogilny and malakhov).
Wiithout brodeur.. he might look like bobby Clark right now.

He's maybe not god, but sometime he's acting like he was

Post by **batdad** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:49 am

You are right...Lou is not a god. He, as I said is one of these things:

1. The best GM out there. Knows how to play the system and has the people with him to do so...How else does he get rid of Malakhov? Cause judging from the Sharks--Doug Wilson ain't no dummy. What made Dougie do that deal? Lou...powers he has...wow.
2. The Godfather, Satan..or the dumbest GM ever...I think his moves have proven he is not dumb..so that leaves us with two other options.

The Godfather?---Dead. The Antichrist- Job taken along time ago by the Angel Gabriel.

This leaves us with one thing...Lou is the best GM out there. And if you ask other GM's in the league..they agree. The stuff Lou does is borderline crazy...but it keeps working..so how can one say he is bad?

Yep Brodeur is a solid guy..Who got him?....Lou....Who keeps him...Lou...Who does everything in his power to make Marty happy?...Lou.

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holydogg · Post by **holydogg** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:12 am

batdad wrote: The Antichrist- Job taken along time ago by the Angel Gabriel.
....

I'm no theologian, but I'm not sure if the messenger of God, the angel of Death and left-hand of God is the purest incarnation of sins coming before the coming back of Christ

Lou has only one goal: Win, he'll do any tricks to achieve that and he's quite awesome at this.

Devils88 · Post by **Devils88** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:25 pm

Everyone hates the Devils. And all they can say is that they play "boring".
Whats the difference between the "trap" and the "left wing lock" (detroit plays it). both are used to create turnovers. I've seen 2 Devils-Rangers Playoff Games last Year live on TV and i couldn't see any special difference between the defensive styles both teams play.

Then i saw two of the Stanley Cup Finals Carolina-Edmonton, and all i can say......WHERE WAS THE OFFENSE!!!
These two Games were really boring.

Also all these new NHL Talk makes me laugh. Ok, i've only seen four Games last Year and the "No Tolerance" Penalty Policy made me shake my head. They whistled everything. Even in Europe, where you get penalized for starring at the opponent, the Penalty Policy is not that strict.

Post by **batdad** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:52 pm

And I hate Carolina, and I hate the 70s Habs (and all subsequent team coached by one Super Coach Bowman), and I hate the Wild, and I hate when the Canucks sit back and trap, and I hate the left wing lock, and I hate anything to do with the trap or left wing lock.

Yes watching the Devils is like watching paint dry. They are methodical, obsessive, careful, conservative offensively, and rely on great defensive play. They are boring Yes they are...and so are all the teams above, including the Oilers during last year's finals.

All teams play a version of LW lock, trap at some point in time during a game. St Louis and LA right now do it all the time. NJ does it 2/3 of the time, Vancouver and Minny 1/3 of the time, Calgary about the same. Like zone defense once was in the NBA it should be an "illegal defense".

It is not the Devil players fault they are boring, just as several other teams are....it is the Coach, and the SATAN who keep insisting on playing that way. No matter what the talent level is. I get it that STL, LA have to...they have no talent. But um.....New Jersey? Minny (who admittedly has stopped doing it ALL...THE...TIME).

Coaching needs to be taken out of the game. Not 100% but to some degree...so we can let the players play. IF you do...Goals will go up. Without any drastic changes to rules, net size, rubbish like that. Somehow limit the coach.

Thundercleese · Post by **Thundercleese** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:24 am

Everybody knows that the Anti-Christ is Ryan Seacrest.