Roster update projects - discuss your project here!

kickbiker · Post by **kickbiker** » Mon May 28, 2007 8:25 pm

Few pics I edited (those "1982-1983" and the first one).

There is also a proof that you can create players under 13 years old.

I'm using 1991 database but changing some attributes and ages etc.

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:20 pm

Devils88 Just wondering if your the one that creates the players for this database who aren't in it i have some questions about some players because I am trying to make the Edmonton Oil Kings and need your help about some of thier prospects that they just drafted...

Post by **batdad** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:31 pm

What do you need to know about the Oil Kings prospects? The TBL:DB was not a roster update for teams to 2007-08 so nothing about the Oil Kings would be in it. It just unfaked everything that was already in the game.

There may one day be a roster update for the NHL, WHL,OHL,QMJHL, ECHL and British leagues, but this is not complete yet.

Also, I am sure you are aware that the Oil Kings will have to replace another team in the WHL because you cannot add extra teams to a league, or the game will crash.

Anyway, Devils...keep up the good work

The roster update for 07-08 is being worked on, but the WHL is yet to be included in it. One day maybe, but not yet.

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:50 pm

I got everything worked out the only thing i need help on is the player prospects current ability and Potenial ability what to put them at. I know i have to replace a whl and i have done that and the logo part i need help on other then those 2 things i got it ok

Post by **getzlaf15** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:58 pm

well the potential ability can be 0, 1-10, or 11-15,

0 means everythin will be randomised for the future,
-10, world class franchise potential, only tavares, frolik and EJ have this,
-9, 1st line talent, class player,
-8, 1st or 2nd line talent, depends on current ability
-7, good 2nd line talent,
-6, 3rd line,
-5, 4th liner, AHLer

-15, random, either a hit or a flop
-14, random, flop or good 2nd liner
so on...

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:01 pm

The only thing is that i donno what these players are going to be like because they are only 14-15 yrs old so what i did was put 70 and -6 and for the last draft picks some of them i put -5 think that is realisitic?

Post by **getzlaf15** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:04 pm

well current skill level for a 14 year old is much lower than 70!!! i have players like Luke Moffat (drafted 2nd overall in this years WHL bantam draft), hes 15 and has a current level as 45, and potential as -9, and hes expected to be a top prospect at that, i also have people like steve anthony (drafted in QMJHL 10th overall), at 35 and -9

i do it so that people who i have heard of, are -9ers, and people that are a little less known at the age they're at as
-14/-15

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:17 pm

So players say rounds 1-5 put at 45 current ability and potenial at -9 and then rounds 6+ 35 -9

Post by **getzlaf15** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:20 pm

not necessarily,

some first rounders turn out rubbish, and some fifth rounders may not be good, but most cases, 1st rounders will be -9, 2nd -8, 3rd -7, 4th -6, 5th -5, but it can be entirley random

but if i remmeber correctly, Pat Kane was a fifth rouinder in OHL, and look at him now

not every1 is a -9 potential

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:22 pm

well what would u say i mean they have 11 players from this yrs Bantam draft including 10th round Philip Samuelsson son of NHL hall of famer Ulf Samuelsson

Post by **getzlaf15** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:27 pm

who is "they", i dont have him in my database, but due to the fact he was drafted so late, may mean he's either expected to go to college, or wont be very good, but we can't predict the future, i wish ,

also, are you sure its his son, ulf was from sweden, and this phillip guy is from arizona, doesn't make much sense to me???

jackknife77 · Post by **jackknife77** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:33 pm

MKoivuFan wrote:Philip Samuelsson son of NHL hall of famer Ulf Samuelsson

Is there a new section in the hall of fame called cheap shot specialist??

Post by **batdad** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:34 pm

NHL hall of famer Ulf Samuelsson

Huh? Did I miss something? But yeah, his kids would likely have been born in the USA or Canada. Like Paul Stastny.

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:38 pm

getzlaf15 wrote:who is "they", i dont have him in my database, but due to the fact he was drafted so late, may mean he's either expected to go to college, or wont be very good, but we can't predict the future, i wish ,

also, are you sure its his son, ulf was from sweden, and this phillip guy is from arizona, doesn't make much sense to me???

Philip Samuelsson, the 15-year old son of ex-New York Ranger Ulf Samuelsson, was the Oil Kings tenth pick (199th overall, 10th round). A 6’1”, 185 pound, defenceman, Philip plays for P.F. Chang’s Hockey in Phoenix, Arizona.

http://www.oilkings.ca/hm/inside.php?sid=5&id=20

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:03 am

I know Devils88's update doesn't have any attribute updates but i was just thinking if some of the edmonton oil King players need some changes to their attributes because i have been checking some of their players our and some of them are all red in attributes but not sure how good or bad they are because I havn't seen any whl games so

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:33 am

players that are in their 17-19 do they generally develop better or no

Post by **archibalduk** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:23 am

MKoivuFan - your questions have absolutely nothing at all to do with the NHL Roster Update Project so you should have started a new thread rather than making the Update thread go so wildly off-topic. Ensure that you read the Forum Rules before making another post.

With regards to your question, you could set your young players' current ability to 0 because this will make EHM randomly generate their ability based on their age, etc.

Post by **archibalduk** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:22 pm

MKoivuFan - please, please read the rules before making another post. I've deleted yet another one of your completely off-topic posts from the NHL Update Thread and have pasted it below:

Originally posted by MKoivuFan:

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archibalduk said i should post it in here if it has to do with the roster so here is where i am goign to post it for help on the realistic ratings for the edmonton oil Kings

I will post each players profile and attributes and then maybe someone can help me with what they should be realistically. Help is greatly appreciated thanks alot

Alex Archibald
6`0 160lbs 5/23/87 20yrs
Acceleration: 6
Agility: 9
Balance: 6
Speed: 5
Stamina: 15
Strength: 8
Aggression: 7
Anticipation: 3
Bravery: 8
Creativity: 1
Determination: 12
Flair: 3
Influence: 6
Team Work: 7
Work Rate: 9
Blocker: 11
Glove: 11
Passing: 5
Pokecheck: 5
Positioning: 7
Rebound Control: 10
Recovery: 10
Reflexes: 10
Stickhanding: 4

Tommy Tartaglione
5`9 194lbs 3/29/88 19yrs
Acceleration: 8
Agility: 9
Balance: 9
Speed: 2
Stamina: 12
Strength: 9
Aggression: 2
Anticipation: 7
Bravery: 10
Creativity: 1
Determination: 7
Flair: 2
Influence: 2
Team Work: 10
Work Rate: 4
Blocker: 8
Glove: 9
Passing: 8
Pokecheck: 5
Positioning: 7
Rebound Control: 9
Recovery: 10
Reflexes: 9
Stickhanding: 3

Cameron Reid
6`0 200lbs 7/17/88 19yrs
Acceleration: 8
Agility: 16
Balance: 4
Speed: 9
Stamina: 13
Strength: 10
Aggression: 8
Anticipation: 5
Bravery: 7
Creativity: 1
Determination: 10
Flair: 11
Influence: 7
Team Work: 6
Work Rate: 14
Blocker: 7
Glove: 8
Passing: 5
Pokecheck: 8
Positioning: 3
Rebound Control: 5
Recovery: 3
Reflexes: 5
Stickhanding: 7

Dalyn Flette
5`11 176lbs 2/8/1990
Acceleration: 3
Agility: 9
Balance: 1
Speed: 6
Stamina: 14
Strength: 9
Aggression: 2
Anticipation: 6
Bravery: 1
Creativity: 1
Determination: 12
Flair: 1
Influence: 2
Team Work: 4
Work Rate: 3
Blocker: 7
Glove: 3
Passing: 2
Pokecheck: 2
Positioning: 3
Rebound Control: 10
Recovery: 10
Reflexes: 8
Stickhanding: 2

Michael Hengen
6`1 191lbs 11/27/1987 19yrs D
Acceleration: 10
Agility: 9
Balance: 7
Speed: 7
Stamina: 10
Strength: 10
Aggression: 11
Anticipation: 6
Bravery: 10
Creativity: 7
Determination: 12
Flair: 7
Influence: 8
Team Work: 6
Work Rate: 5
Checking: 6
Deflections: 5
Deking: 5
Faceoffs: 5
Hitting: 7
Getting Open: 5
Passing: 6
Pokecheck: 8
Positioning: 5
Slapshot: 7
Stickhandling: 8
Wristshot: 6

Tyler Hlookoff
5`11 169lbs 16yrs 4/10/1990 LD
Acceleration: 12
Agility: 11
Balance: 5
Speed: 12
Stamina: 11
Strength: 12
Aggression: 12
Anticipation: 4
Bravery: 12
Creativity: 8
Determination: 18
Flair: 6
Influence: 13
Team Work: 16
Work Rate: 15
Checking: 7
Deflections: 1
Deking: 4
Faceoffs: 3
Hitting: 7
Getting Open: 8
Passing: 7
Pokecheck: 6
Positioning: 6
Slapshot: 3
Stickhandling: 4
Wristshot: 2

Lance Redden
6`0 174lbs 17yrs 2/20/1989 LD/RD
Acceleration: 6
Agility: 8
Balance: 9
Speed: 8
Stamina: 12
Strength: 9
Aggression: 10
Anticipation: 1
Bravery: 14
Creativity: 6
Determination: 11
Flair: 2
Influence: 7
Team Work: 12
Work Rate: 12
Checking: 6
Deflections: 3
Deking: 5
Faceoffs: 3
Hitting: 9
Getting Open: 5
Passing: 7
Pokecheck: 3
Positioning: 2
Slapshot: 2
Stickhandling: 7
Wristshot: 5

Matt Swaby
6`0 176lbs LD 19yrs 10/21/87
Acceleration:8
Agility: 9
Balance: 10
Speed: 8
Stamina: 13
Strength: 11
Aggression: 11
Anticipation: 6
Bravery: 11
Creativity: 6
Determination: 12
Flair: 9
Influence: 6
Team Work: 7
Work Rate: 8
Checking: 8
Deflections: 7
Deking: 5
Faceoffs:5
Hitting:8
Getting Open:5
Passing:4
Pokecheck:7
Positioning:6
Slapshot:7
Stickhandling:4
Wristshot: 6

Cameron Cepek
RD 6`1 169lbs 1/12/88 18yrs
Acceleration: 8
Agility: 7
Balance:11
Speed:9
Stamina:13
Strength: 11
Aggression: 12
Anticipation: 7
Bravery: 11
Creativity: 6
Determination: 11
Flair: 6
Influence: 10
Team Work: 9
Work Rate: 10
Checking: 9
Deflections: 4
Deking: 5
Faceoffs: 5
Hitting:9
Getting Open: 5
Passing: 6
Pokecheck: 7
Positioning: 8
Slapshot: 6
Stickhandling: 5
Wristshot: 6

Bretton Stamler
RD 6`1 202lbs 19yrs RD
Acceleration: 9
Agility: 9
Balance:12
Speed:11
Stamina:13
Strength:12
Aggression:13
Anticipation:6
Bravery:11
Creativity:8
Determination:14
Flair:9
Influence:8
Team Work:8
Work Rate:13
Checking:7
Deflections:5
Deking:6
Faceoffs:5
Hitting:8
Getting Open:6
Passing:5
Pokecheck:8
Positioning:5
Slapshot:7
Stickhandling: 6
Wristshot:5

Shayne Neigum
LW 6`0 176lbs 3/27/1990 17yrs
Acceleration:9
Agility:7
Balance:3
Speed:7
Stamina:11
Strength:10
Aggression:8
Anticipation:5
Bravery:10
Creativity:7
Determination:6
Flair:7
Influence:7
Team Work:8
Work Rate:9
Checking:6
Deflections:5
Deking:7
Faceoffs:8
Hitting:5
Getting Open:7
Passing:7
Pokecheck:7
Positioning:5
Slapshot:6
Stickhandling:4
Wristshot:5

Karey Pieper
LW/RW 6`3 207lbs 19yrs 10/22/1987
Acceleration: 8
Agility: 9
Balance: 8
Speed: 9
Stamina: 13
Strength: 12
Aggression: 12
Anticipation: 7
Bravery: 11
Creativity: 7
Determination: 15
Flair: 9
Influence: 10
Team Work: 11
Work Rate: 10
Checking: 5
Deflections: 7
Deking: 5
Faceoffs: 7
Hitting: 6
Getting Open: 5
Passing: 7
Pokecheck: 6
Positioning: 5
Slapshot: 5
Stickhandling: 8
Wristshot: 6

Brent Raedeke
LW 5`10 149lbs 5/29/1990 17yrs
Acceleration: 7
Agility: 6
Balance: 6
Speed: 5
Stamina: 10
Strength: 7
Aggression: 5
Anticipation: 4
Bravery: 6
Creativity: 6
Determination: 8
Flair: 6
Influence: 8
Team Work: 4
Work Rate: 8
Checking: 5
Deflections: 4
Deking: 6
Faceoffs: 8
Hitting: 7
Getting Open: 4
Passing: 1
Pokecheck: 7
Positioning: 2
Slapshot: 4
Stickhandling: 2
Wristshot: 4

J.P Szaszkiewicz
LW/RW 5`11 183lbs 5/18/1988 19yrs
Acceleration: 9
Agility: 10
Balance: 9
Speed: 8
Stamina: 11
Strength: 9
Aggression: 6
Anticipation: 5
Bravery: 8
Creativity: 6
Determination: 13
Flair: 8
Influence: 6
Team Work: 7
Work Rate: 5
Checking: 6
Deflections: 7
Deking: 11
Faceoffs: 10
Hitting: 5
Getting Open: 7
Passing: 6
Pokecheck: 7
Positioning: 6
Slapshot: 6
Stickhandling: 10
Wristshot: 5

Braeden Adamyk
Acceleration: 15
Agility: 14
Balance: 5
Speed: 9
Stamina: 11
Strength: 10
Aggression: 15
Anticipation: 9
Bravery: 11
Creativity: 4
Determination: 7
Flair: 10
Influence: 9
Team Work: 5
Work Rate: 11
Checking: 7
Deflections: 3
Deking: 4
Faceoffs: 11
Hitting: 6
Getting Open: 3
Passing: 8
Pokecheck: 3
Positioning: 5
Slapshot: 7
Stickhandling: 6
Wristshot: 8

Clayton Cumiskey
C 5`6 130lbs 3/20/1990 17yrs
Acceleration: 10
Agility: 12
Balance: 7
Speed:11
Stamina: 8
Strength: 6
Aggression: 10
Anticipation: 5
Bravery: 12
Creativity: 2
Determination: 6
Flair: 4
Influence: 8
Team Work: 10
Work Rate: 8
Checking: 5
Deflections: 1
Deking: 4
Faceoffs: 10
Hitting: 6
Getting Open: 1
Passing: 1
Pokecheck: 4
Positioning: 4
Slapshot: 3
Stickhandling: 1
Wristshot: 3

Brenden Dowd:
C/LW 5`11 163lbs 18yrs 12/31/1988
Acceleration: 6
Agility: 7
Balance: 5
Speed: 7
Stamina: 13
Strength: 7
Aggression: 12
Anticipation: 5
Bravery: 12
Creativity: 7
Determination: 10
Flair: 6
Influence: 5
Team Work: 5
Work Rate: 12
Checking: 4
Deflections: 5
Deking: 3
Faceoffs: 11
Hitting: 7
Getting Open: 1
Passing: 8
Pokecheck: 9
Positioning: 5
Slapshot: 9
Stickhandling: 5
Wristshot: 9

Robin Figren
C 5`11 163lbs 19yrs 3/7/1988
Acceleration: 7
Agility: 7
Balance: 4
Speed: 6
Stamina: 11
Strength: 5
Aggression: 10
Anticipation: 8
Bravery: 10
Creativity:10
Determination: 7
Flair: 12
Influence: 7
Team Work: 6
Work Rate: 7
Checking: 6
Deflections: 10
Deking: 8
Faceoffs: 10
Hitting: 6
Getting Open: 9
Passing: 6
Pokecheck: 6
Positioning: 6
Slapshot: 8
Stickhandling: 7
Wristshot: 10

Brett Breitkreuz
6`1 209lbs 18yrs 6/4/1989 RW/C
Acceleration: 8
Agility: 11
Balance: 6
Speed: 12
Stamina: 12
Strength:12
Aggression: 14
Anticipation: 7
Bravery: 11
Creativity: 6
Determination: 13
Flair: 1
Influence: 16
Team Work: 13
Work Rate: 15
Checking: 9
Deflections: 6
Deking: 1
Faceoffs: 8
Hitting: 9
Getting Open: 1
Passing: 7
Pokecheck: 8
Positioning: 6
Slapshot: 5
Stickhandling: 5
Wristshot: 3

Tyler Halliday
RW/LW 5`11 156lbs 3/11/1989 18yrs
Acceleration: 3
Agility: 7
Balance: 6
Speed:9
Stamina: 11
Strength: 8
Aggression: 10
Anticipation: 4
Bravery: 9
Creativity: 2
Determination: 12
Flair: 9
Influence: 9
Team Work: 9
Work Rate: 10
Checking: 2
Deflections: 1
Deking: 6
Faceoffs: 8
Hitting: 8
Getting Open: 8
Passing: 1
Pokecheck: 6
Positioning: 3
Slapshot: 4
Stickhandling: 1
Wristshot: 1

Brent Henke
RW 6`1 163lbs 17yrs 3/12/1990
Acceleration: 6
Agility: 10
Balance: 7
Speed: 7
Stamina: 8
Strength: 11
Aggression: 8
Anticipation: 4
Bravery: 10
Creativity: 2
Determination: 10
Flair: 10
Influence: 9
Team Work: 12
Work Rate: 15
Checking: 6
Deflections: 2
Deking: 5
Faceoffs: 8
Hitting: 3
Getting Open: 4
Passing: 6
Pokecheck: 4
Positioning: 4
Slapshot: 2
Stickhandling: 1
Wristshot: 5

Brandon Lockerby
RW 5`11 154lbs 19yrs 2/17/1988
Acceleration: 7
Agility: 9
Balance: 9
Speed: 10
Stamina: 11
Strength: 9
Aggression: 12
Anticipation: 5
Bravery: 16
Creativity: 3
Determination: 10
Flair: 9
Influence: 8
Team Work: 11
Work Rate: 8
Checking: 9
Deflections: 6
Deking: 2
Faceoffs: 7
Hitting: 5
Getting Open: 5
Passing: 3
Pokecheck: 2
Positioning: 2
Slapshot: 7
Stickhandling: 4
Wristshot: 1

Tomas Vincour
LW/C 6`3 185lbs 16yrs 11/19/1990
Acceleration: 13
Agility: 15
Balance: 4
Speed: 15
Stamina: 11
Strength: 5
Aggression: 6
Anticipation: 7
Bravery: 12
Creativity: 2
Determination: 9
Flair: 9
Influence: 4
Team Work: 7
Work Rate: 11
Checking: 4
Deflections: 2
Deking: 8
Faceoffs: 2
Hitting: 3
Getting Open: 12
Passing: 9
Pokecheck: 2
Positioning: 3
Slapshot: 8
Stickhandling: 10
Wristshot:10

Jorsalfare · Post by **Jorsalfare** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:41 pm

Hey.

I have for the last couple of years used TBL as my main source to info and add-ons for EHM. This site is amazing and i want to start off by saluting all of you who put in the effort and time by making facepacks, logos, skins and so on. You are doing an amazing job!

But since the disaster has hit us that they wont make a new EHM game, i am beginning to worry about DB updates and small bugs in the game. Will there be an updatet DB when the new season starts from TBL?

Thanx, and again, great job!

Post by **Shadd666** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:57 pm

First of all, welcome to TBL

There are many projects on actually, including the TBL:DB which unfakes all the game, and some of our users are working to update the rosters for the 07-08 season. It's a lot of work, but it will come in time, around the start of the season to be as up-to-date as possible

Jorsalfare · Post by **Jorsalfare** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:41 pm

Thank you for the warm welcome

I will keep my eyes peeled for the database update! Looking forward to the new season!!

Thank you verry much for the info...

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:04 pm

With all of the credit going to archibalduk and his staff for the roster updated and how they are just going to do the rosters i thought i would do a list of attributes that need to be fixed and once archibalduk and his staff have doen the roster then i can go in and fix all of the attributes. The only thing i ask is that if you say to fix something could u please be specific of what needs to be fix...

Example Slapshot from 6 to 9 or deking from 4 to 11 etc... Thanks

Post by **Shadd666** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:30 pm

Even if this sounds to be an interesting project, i really wonder what will you be based on to say that player X should have attribute Y at a Z level.

Are you a professionnal scout that goes to see players live and have the skill to determine precisely what their ability is? If so, then you have the tools to make such a project and we could support it

Else, things should be messed more than tweaked, especially if you ask people to tell which attributes would be changed. What is the precise knowledge of this people? Aren't they overrating a player (or a team) they really like? And all a bunch of issues like that.

That's the reason why TBL never supported attribute changes until now. Even if we'd like an attribute update with the upcoming new season, we can't support everything regarding attributes. Keep in mind that changing attributes changes the balance of the game, both on short and long terms.

I hope you understand all of that

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:50 pm

good point Shadd666 never thought of that just ppl say even on the SI board so and so is underratted and so and so is overrated thats why i just thought of doing this

Post by **Shadd666** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:08 pm

SI boards became a mess unfortunately

At least in the EHM section, especially since the announcement of the end of the devellopment. Normal. They have to focus on their alive projects.

Back on topic, i have some doubts about the potential quality of an attributes update made the way you described it for all the mentionned reasons. If it was that simple to make a serious attributes update, it would already have been done for a long time. But we are not scouts, we don't have scout skills, most of us can't even go to see live a NHL game, and so we can't make a serious job about attributes. And we see no use in providing joke-projects, so we never made nor supported any attributes modification, and will certainly not until we have skilled enough people to do so.

Sorry to rain on parade on your project, but i think you understand why we prefer this way

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