Using Foreign Coaches

puckman16 · Post by **puckman16** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:00 pm

Does anyone have any experience using foreign coaches. I usually shy away from this but in my most recent run with the Penguins there were 2 that I couldn't pass up as assistants:

Swede Fredrik Brannstrom adapt-20 det-16 disc-16 m.m-20 mot-17 youth-13 F-18 D-6 G-10 r.ab-18 r.pt-15 tact-17
Russian Dmitry Kharlamov adapt-17 det-9 disc-12 m.m-16 mot-15 youth-15 F-17 D-17 G-13 r.ab-12 r.pt-10 tact-18

Brannstrom does have English as a basic language so I'm not so worried about him, and if all else fails he could be transferred to be my Scandinavian scout. Kharlamov does not speka english but at least he can be Malkin's personal coach. I was a little suprised they signed (for cheap) as I always have trouble signing Euro's who I'm interested in having being my full time scout for their respective home country/reigon.

Icos · Post by **Icos** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:51 pm

I have never payed much attention on coaches nationalities, especially because some of the good ones (for outside NHL, especially euro minor leagues) come from really exotic countries. Currently, I have a head coach from New Zealand in my Jesenice team and I also had one South African in one of my previous carreers. I've also seen a Mexican, and a few Turkish coaches, who weren't even that bad (as one would expect).

Post by **B. Stinson** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:01 pm

especially because some of the good ones (for outside NHL, especially euro minor leagues) come from really exotic countries.

You know, I noticed this as well.

In my Erie Otters game a little bit ago, I had a head coach from Australia, and an Ass't Coach from South Africa... and both had really great attributes.

puckman16 · Post by **puckman16** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:14 am

Yeah, there was a decent South African coach but not good enought for me to warrant taking a chance with.

holydogg · Post by **holydogg** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:31 am

My farm team goalie coach is from Turkey named Atagun something else.
I've also hired a Finn ass coach in the big team, since I've got 4 Finns and a Swede in my squad at that time

EDIT: Also with my now Legendary game with Sheffield, my coach was the almighty Krister Stromqvist

thatsarap · Post by **thatsarap** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:37 pm

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Hello - Newbie to this site here!

Does language play an active part in this game? I choose coaches based on their attributes and have a few foreign coaches on North American teams. English isn't listed in their languages. Does this reduce their effectiveness? Should I only get English speaking coaches for English speaking teams?

Thanks!

Post by **Tasku** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:44 pm

I'm not sure how much it affects their performance, but it is certain that it does. Atleast don't make any of them head coach - give them atleast a few years in the organization to learn the primary language of most players.

EHMHockeyMaster55 · Post by **EHMHockeyMaster55** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:39 pm

I have always signed a foreign coach to lead my team and I have had exceptional success with it (6 cups in 11 years with the Caps, 5 cups in a row with the Blackhawks, etc).

thatsarap · Post by **thatsarap** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:59 pm

EHMHockeyMaster55 wrote:I have always signed a foreign coach to lead my team and I have had exceptional success with it (6 cups in 11 years with the Caps, 5 cups in a row with the Blackhawks, etc).

EHMHockeyMaster55 - Is English listed as one of his Fluent Languages?

I'm just curious as to how much the "Fluent Language" plays a role in the coach's effectiveness. I think it would be more pronounced in Assistant Coaches, say, if your Goalie Coach doesn't speak English, will the attributes on your team actually rise, rise much slower, or what.

Conversely, how much does the fluent language of a player affect his abilities on teams that don't speak his language?

Post by **Shadd666** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:13 pm

I don't how realistically languages are taken into account in the game, but just look at the reality a single moment.

You're American, speak English. Let's say some Russian team hire you as a coach in a team where they all speak Russian and no one speaks English. What will you learn to them? Nothing.

So a coach who doesn't speak a single word of English will probably won't teach anything to the guys in north america. Simple as that. But he will progressively learn English if he stays in the country, and then become more efficient and up to what his attributes suggest.

So if you find a "super-coach", it might worth the investment to bring him to the team and wait for him to learn the language. If he's not that great, you'd better go for less talented coaches who speak the correct language. They'll bring more on the table on short-term, and you'll easily replace them with more skilled guys later on.

Coyote of the Sea · Post by **Coyote of the Sea** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:33 pm

Curious Question, does the player's (as a GM) nationallity matter in where you can get hired? for example if i'm from America and try to get hired by a swedish tem, will they hire me if i meet credentials for the job? or will my not being Swedish hurt my chances for the job?

Also what about players? like for example Hanzal speaks only Czech and Slovak but is on my AHL team (but i have coaches that can speak both languages). If i did not have coaches able to speak Czech and Slovak, would that hurt his development ?

Post by **Shadd666** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:29 pm

For your GM's nationality, i don't think it hurts for clubs as long as you have what it takes to take over the team. I see it more of an issue for national team jobs. I remember an old game when i set my nationality to French, was rolling over the NHL, had the highest reputation in the world as a GM, but wasn't able to get the Canada job. So i guess nationality was the issue there. On the other side, i doubt it would be a problem being Canadian and applying for Denmark job, for example.

As for players, they generally get the basics in a language during their first season, so i doubt it hurts that much as they quickly adapt. However, having coaches or teammates who can be used as an interprete should be an avantage for sure. But players coming from Europe have first to adapt to the north-american style of play and lifestyle. Add the language barrier, and expect a pretty difficult season for them. It doesn't necessary hurt their devellopement, especially if they use this hard experience to learn to work harder days in and days out. So if you can give them better conditions, it's always a plus, but else, i wouldn't mind. It's more problematic if they're rushed into the NHL straight away, because they would also have to adapt to the best level of play, which should be too much (except for a very few like Malkin or Ovechkin).

EHMHockeyMaster55 · Post by **EHMHockeyMaster55** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:36 pm

thatsarap....

none of my coaches have had English as a fluent or "other" language so its either that language doesnt really matter in this game or every single player ive had is exceptionally bright and understands multiple languages

Icos · Post by **Icos** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:34 am

Actually, getting a job in NHL is much harder if your nationality is not set as American or Canadian. I always select my real nationality and I have problems getting appointed by NHL and AHL teams. I managed to climb to ECHL and Finnish leagues, though. Once I set myself as canadian and soon got a canadian national team job and moved to NHL from there quite easily. Also I found out there is A LOT more Canadian players interested in signing with you, if you are Canadian managing European team. Basicly, selecting your own nationality has an effect on your carreer, one way or another.

Post by **Tasku** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:46 am

That's interesting... never thought of that. Makes sense though. It sort of simulates the way the hockey world operates thru known contacts and alot depends on who you know and who knows you.

It's not as sophisticated as if you could create a history for your manager when you start a game, but one is in a way given to you as you choose your nationality.

Post by **Shadd666** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:25 pm

I double Licos about nationalities that nearly prevent you from going into the NHL. I tried once to make my way to the NHL as a French GM... NO WAY!!!

But that's pretty realistic.

stone169 · Post by **stone169** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:02 am

I've tried hiring an assistant coach who couldn't speak english for a position, ie. goaltending, only to see my goaltenders suffer for it.

Language does make a difference.

Icos · Post by **Icos** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:04 pm

Sorry for reopening the old post, but I found out that you can only get NHL job as a foreigner (ie not American or Canadian) if you manage to get their national jobs. I as Slovene manager had success with various european sides (winning Austrian, Czech, Finnish and Swedish title), but never got their national job, so I still haven't got to NHL. And I'm in 2021 now.

I'll see if I can get to AHL once again (I managed Providence for a while, but quickly moved back to Europe) and win it, maybe then I'll have a chance to manage Canada or USA - from there, I don't think there should be a long way to NHL.

Post by **Shadd666** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:09 am

Don't be sorry for re-opening old threads

In fact, we prefer it this way rather than having several topics on the exact same subject. So you made the right choice.

Back on topic, i don't think you have a chance at their national job if you're a foreign manager. The top countries are always reluctant to offer their national job to a foreigner, and there's nearly no way that USA or Canada open the job to a European born manager.

So i think the best bet to join the NHL as a foreigner is to go overseas and make yourself known there, jumping on the boat at juniors or AHL level. Then perform, win titles, wait for an opportunity, and have a bit of luck.

Icos · Post by **Icos** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:14 pm

Yeah, although I've seen Swedish and Russian managers to get their national jobs - they all moved to NHL after that. But yes, I will try to get to AHL once again, although I really didn't enjoyed my time there first time - rather unknown league with not much of a freedom of signing players

But to complete my challange, that lasts from very first EHM (except freeware version of course), I'll have to do it.