Drafting Outside the 1st Round

Peterman5000 · Post by **Peterman5000** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:04 am

Hugh freakin Jessiman.

He always becomes a solid 2nd line player for me.

I don't understand however, why every asst. gm i have ranks him as a low RW.

The guy just puts up the points.

BaerXIII · Post by **BaerXIII** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:42 am

Zdenko Muchka I drafted him in the 2nd round 48th overall he has 1-2 potential is 18 and currently the top ranked prospect in my organization.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:05 pm

Peterman5000 wrote:Hugh freakin Jessiman.

He always becomes a solid 2nd line player for me.

I don't understand however, why every asst. gm i have ranks him as a low RW.

The guy just puts up the points.

I highly doubt you drafted High Jessiman unless you're talking about a fantasy draft. This thread is talking about players you draft in EHM outside of the first round. You might want to talk up Jessiman in the "specific outstanding players" thread instead.

Kekkonen · Post by **Kekkonen** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:26 pm

You definitely can get great players after the first round.

I hadn't played EHM in over a year, but on Sunday I had nothing better to do than to continue my old Minnesota Wild game that is on season 2015-16. The 2015 Calder winner was a Czech regen winger who scored 98 points as a 20-year-old. He was a 4th-round pick. Judging by his attributes, that was no fluke.

I drafted a guy who I assume is Sundin's regen (Swedish 6'5" center) on the 2nd round, and he's now tearing up the AHL as a 19-year-old. In the same draft, I got a guy who just might be Ziggy Palffy v.2 in the 6th round, and he's putting up Crosbyesque numbers in the OHL team I loaned him to. One of the best young (i.e. regen) goalies in the league is a Swedish guy who was a 3rd-round pick.

(The names are just for reference, I don't hunt for regens on purpose.)

alexios · Post by **alexios** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:50 pm

Crombeen wrote: How manny players can you name today in the NHL to score more then 100 points in a year that where drafted out the 2nd or 3rd round?

by the way... Alfredsson, St. Louis, Datsyuk, Savard...

Kekkonen · Post by **Kekkonen** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:19 am

St. Louis wasn't drafted at all.

Peterman5000 · Post by **Peterman5000** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:26 am

bruins72 wrote:
Peterman5000 wrote:Hugh freakin Jessiman.

He always becomes a solid 2nd line player for me.

I don't understand however, why every asst. gm i have ranks him as a low RW.

The guy just puts up the points.
I highly doubt you drafted High Jessiman unless you're talking about a fantasy draft. This thread is talking about players you draft in EHM outside of the first round. You might want to talk up Jessiman in the "specific outstanding players" thread instead.

Thats where i meant to post this, sorry

RyanSmythe · Post by **RyanSmythe** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:19 am

Just for laughs i looked back at all the drafts to see how many of my 3-7 round picks turned into NHL regulars/Star players.
*most of these players, now play for other teams*

# of 3rd round picks that are NHL regs: 11 of 22 possible
Of those 3: are Star forwards/Defensemen
and 2: are Starting Goalies
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# of 4th round: 6 of 22
1 is a Star Defenseman
1 is a Starting goalie
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# of 5th round: 7 of 22
3 are Star Forwards/Defensemen
0 are Starting goalies
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# of 6th round 12 of 22
4 are Star Forwards/Defensemen
0 are Starting Goalies
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# of 7th round 9 of 22
2 are Star Forwards/Defensemen
2 are Starting Goalies

About 40% turned into NHL regulars or better.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu May 14, 2009 2:11 pm

That's actually some pretty good research!

So work your scouts and find all those guys deep in the drafts. You don't have to acquire tons of first round picks to get good players.

jbsnadb · Post by **jbsnadb** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:07 pm

I'm curious about what years you may have been looking at. Drafts tend to get deeper as more and more regens are introduced, leading to more late round drafting success.

Also, what was your criteria for "NHL Regular"?

RyanSmythe · Post by **RyanSmythe** » Thu May 14, 2009 4:54 pm

My current season is 2031-32
I went back to the first EHM draft, that i could(2009-2030)(I would have went back to 07 and 08 but for some reason those drafts are blank, although i know i drafted players in those years)and didn't include 2031 because i just drafted them

My criteria for an NHL regular
#1: Anyone who played all 82games, or spent no time in the AHL or other lower tier leagues, but played the majority of the season(missing games to injury or suspension only)
#2: If a player was drafted in the early years, the majority of their careers had to be spent in the NHL.
I gave 2-3 years for development, but went on having at least 900 career NHL games played.(roughly works out to 47games a year for 19 years)
#3: If a player got a hall of fame bid but didn't meet the -Games-played- requirements, I included them, because i've had plenty of Nhl regulars(real players) that don't get inducted(Jamie Langenbrunner, Stu Barnes for instance)

I know the first criteria cuts it short for players who may have had only 1-2 season under their belt(2027-2028 draft for instance) and leaves it unknown if they will be NHLers several seasons down the road but thats what i went with.

RyanSmythe · Post by **RyanSmythe** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:33 pm

I figured out why i couldn't view the 07 and 08 drafts, the players retired and didn't become staff.

jbsnadb · Post by **jbsnadb** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:00 pm

That seems scientific enough for me

I'm surprised the draft info from 07-09 wasn't retained, though.

Post by **philou21** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:30 pm

bruins72 wrote:
So work your scouts and find all those guys deep in the drafts. You don't have to acquire tons of first round picks to get good players.

You're totally right, try to have at least 10 or more scouts and then you can scout almost everywhere in the world. I scout the big country/league first and then going into smaller places like Denmark, England, Swiss.... Then you could find some interesting player, specially after the 08 season ( when regen start )

Personally i've past the 2011 draft last day, and in the fourth round i found an interesting Sweden Defencemen who have a great potential for a first liner D-men. The fifth and six round also have some good player under-rated, who could develop late like 22 or 23 old, you just need to be patient. Some player who aren't class in the draft could become good player too.

Lakrisal · Post by **Lakrisal** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:10 am

Drafted Mats Zuccarello Aasen first season as #148 overall (5th round). Sure he isnt 18 but so far he has put up 121 points (54+67) in 169 games.

Not bad at all

Kekkonen · Post by **Kekkonen** » Fri May 15, 2009 11:26 am

The database has a few of those overagers who can become great players. Mario Uhrik is another one of them, I drafted him in the 6th or 7th round after the first season of my current game as the Wild, and by the end of 2016 he's had several 80-100 point seasons (for the Panthers...). He's totally a hit-or-miss type player though, in some games he's not even good enough for the AHL.

ch405m4r1n3 · Post by **ch405m4r1n3** » Fri May 15, 2009 3:44 pm

Look at this 6th round pick i got in 2007 draft. He was drafted at 21 so a bit of a late bloomer i guess but he was an unranked russian winger and i've got him coming over to the habs in 2008

His consistency is also not bad at 14.

EK_ · Post by **EK_** » Sat May 16, 2009 10:28 pm

not a bad 6th rounder. Most are garbage at that point. I find a good ranked prospect occasionally but I usually pick an over-ager and sign him to play on the farm team; at least he's doing some good as oppose to some guy that may never pan out altogether/

ch405m4r1n3 · Post by **ch405m4r1n3** » Sun May 17, 2009 1:16 am

I put him directly onto my second line as a left winger right after he arrived, working out well considering im supposed to be rebuilding the team. As a second line winger and on the second PP unit, 45 games into the season he has 17 goals and 50 points and is a +26, plus the team is in 4th in the conference

Normally would want a higher draft pick but i traded all my old players earlier in the year for picks so not bad, doesn't look to be a great draft year anyways.

Hooker · Post by **Hooker** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:20 am

This is one of my top prospects in the system. I don't know if he'll ever make the big club, as I'm not terribly impressed with his mental characteristics, but he'll definitely be the star center of my AHL farm team and, by the time he's on the last year of his contract, either bring back a great package of picks and prospects or single-handedly bring in a key deadline aquisition.

http://members.shaw.ca/hooker/images/172ndpick.jpg

My first and second round picks, comparative, have developed horribly (although, the first rounder is still scouted as first line potential). In fact, aside from an astounding pick in the third round who is 18/20 in stickhandling, deking, and passing and listed as a having second line potential, that sixth round pick is the best thing I got out of the draft.

EDIT: And more generally, I've seen my first round picks flounder and fail while other teams have fourth round picks or lower develop into franchise players. So, suffice to say, there are all kinds of steals in EHM07 from my experience.

Post by **A9L3E** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:31 pm

What that "poor man's" means?

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:28 pm

When the scouting report says "A poor man's" so and so, it means like a cheaper version of a player. It means that the player might play a similar style to this other player but isn't on the same scale or level as that better player.

Does that make sense?

RyanSmythe · Post by **RyanSmythe** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:18 pm

A9L3E wrote:What that "poor man's" means?

A Less talented, player with a similar playing style.
For instance
Think of a Power forward (Nash, Iginla, Morrow, ect)

Then look at like Joe Pavelski,
He would be a Poor mans Nash, Iginla, or Morrow

Where he is physical, he can score, he can make things happen with the puck, but he's not quite as good as the other 3.
(this is just a rough example)

Doesn't mean he sucks

Post by **A9L3E** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:23 pm

I understood it, thanks!

Lakrisal · Post by **Lakrisal** » Thu May 28, 2009 1:59 am

in the 2013/14 season Atlanta was leading the Eastern Conference so I was looking at their players.

And what do I find? Their best defender is Philip Samuelsson, a defender I drafted 2007 as #178!

traded him and a couple of prospects for Matt Duchene. And using satans tool I actually found that he had a PA of 171 whilst Duchene only had 169

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