Drafting Outside the 1st Round

[bruins72]

I drafted Philip Samuelsson. He's still under 20 years old and I haven't decided whether to let him go to college or if I should sign him and assign him to my AHL affiliate.

[Lakrisal]

I drafted Philip Samuelsson. He's still under 20 years old and I haven't decided whether to let him go to college or if I should sign him and assign him to my AHL affiliate.

In my save Atlanta signed him and let him play 2 full seasons of AHL. Then called him up midway through the 3rd season and since then hes only played 6 AHL games.

Note that im using Systemfels database and not Lidas so i dont know how he is there.

[bruins72]

I drafted Philip Samuelsson. He's still under 20 years old and I haven't decided whether to let him go to college or if I should sign him and assign him to my AHL affiliate.

In my save Atlanta signed him and let him play 2 full seasons of AHL. Then called him up midway through the 3rd season and since then hes only played 6 AHL games.

Note that im using Systemfels database and not Lidas so i dont know how he is there.

I'm using the Lidas database, so he might be different. Still, Samuelsson looks good.

[ehmfans]

Hello everyone,
I'm new to the forum and finally thinking about buying the game. I played '05 and one of my biggest concerns with the game was that drafting a player in rounds 2-7 was useless. I played careers lasting 20seasons and didn't once get a star player outside of the 1st round. Most of the quality players were the top picks of draft also, the top player being virtually guaranteed to score 100 pts his rookie season, with not busts or diamonds in the rough.

So my question has this been fixed and is it possible that my next 30 goal scorer can be found in the 4th round?

thanks a lot for any help you guys can offer

I'm in my 5ft year in a guy, and one of the star of the league was pick in the 3 round, so there you go

[HattrickSwayze]

I drafted Philip Samuelsson. He's still under 20 years old and I haven't decided whether to let him go to college or if I should sign him and assign him to my AHL affiliate.

In my save Atlanta signed him and let him play 2 full seasons of AHL. Then called him up midway through the 3rd season and since then hes only played 6 AHL games.

Note that im using Systemfels database and not Lidas so i dont know how he is there.

I'm using the Lidas database, so he might be different. Still, Samuelsson looks good.

I drafted Samuelsson in the 3rd round. He wasn't ranked, and no one seemed interested. I hadn't scouted him yet if I remember right, but he had really good stats so I picked him up. He's leading his Junior league in points by about 20 even though he's a defenseman. Scouts say he's only a no. 7 potential, but maybe he'll shape up more when he plays college.

Using Lidas1.3 BTW.

[deathknot]

does anyone know if what the scouts projection can change over time.

because i have a guy i drafted(forget name) who was projected to basically be nothing more than a bottom feeder in the minors but he has managed to get himself on my 3rd line and have 3 seasons of 40-60 points range

[Joe]

does anyone know if what the scouts projection can change over time.

because i have a guy i drafted(forget name) who was projected to basically be nothing more than a bottom feeder in the minors but he has managed to get himself on my 3rd line and have 3 seasons of 40-60 points range

Yes, I've noticed they can. It seems that if a scout is scouting a player who has a bad game, then they sometimes won't be considered a good prospect. But I'll have them scout them again, and if they have a good game, they are sometimes considered a good prospect. You really just have to keep an eye on their progress.

[Otso]

I've drafted Jagr and Leetch regens on the fourth round, just gotta know where to look

[Lazion]

I've drafted Jagr and Leetch regens on the fourth round, just gotta know where to look

Regens are way to go to cheat CPU.
I also drafted in late 3rd round Forsberg and Lidström regens.

[jtilson23]

There had to have been a reason that they (Jagr, Leetch, Forsberg, and Lidstrom) were drafted outside of the first round and it is probably to do with them having either horrible mental attributes or something drastically wrong with them (4 stamina, 2 anticipation, etc). In my games, I've picked up a few good players 3rd round and above, and tons of good players in the 2nd round. But, any star regen I come across is always scooped up in the first round.

Example:

Lidstrom Regen (ISS Rank: 42) Drafted 11th Overall
Leetch Regen (ISS Rank: 56) Drafted 20th Overall
Irbe Regen (ISS Rank: 35) Drafted 1st Overall
Chara Regen (ISS Rank: 104) Drafted 26th Overall

Granted all these players had good mentals.

[DJP19]

Never have much luck with players in late rounds, but I do get a lot of good goalies. I drafted one 20 year old goalie in the 6th round. He spent 4 years in the AHL before I decided to give him a shot when my starter got injured. He played 30 games with a 2.20 G.A.A and 916%. He ended up bieng my starter for the next 7 of years posting very solid records. Of course after a while a new rookie goalie steped in and took his position.

[IceTimer]

One of my best players was taken in the 7th round.
He's never scored 100p (2 season at 99p each though)
And 11 of the 12 seasons he has played he has scored 30+ goals

Ironically my scouts still say he sucks and that he is not good enough for my current lineup....But my coaches say he is a key member of the team.... all the contradictions

His Stats

Now that Wall guy could not be more impressive, who is he a regen of? A 7rd pick you say, he was anything but a scorer in juniors, and had poor performances there, then the next season he makes it on your team (how did he make the team btw) somehow and has a huge rookie season, and goes on to average over 30 goals and 80 PTS a season for his career, did he win the Calder btw?

[IceTimer]

Just a maybe bit off topic question, when you are developing your picks, should you listen to your coaches feelings more than what the scouts say the current potential is, maybe especially if your coach is a very good judge of talent?

[IceTimer]

I send my scouts to the main European leagues and a couple to Regions "not so well off" in hockey teams (like Britain and southern Europe), looking for 15-24 year olds and i send 3 scouts to each Canadian junior league once a year. The remaining scouts that i have (normally left with about 3) i send off to the draft intensively, 2 of them searching for just under 20's. That way i cover most of the countries and most of the prospects for the draft. Sometimes you can snag a decent player in the later rounds. There aren't many though (look outside the draft rankings too, that's where they normally come from).

Rant over.

You ever had a player from Britain?

Apart from me , No. I look for the Tony Hand regen who wouldn't be bad as an NHLer. But no look as of yet... I don't know why i send them to britain, just on that odd occasion there may be someone there.

Tony Hand regen, never heard of Tony Hand before?


There is the odd British player remotely worth considering, in the 07' draft there is a guy who was at least born in Britain, might also be Canadian, name is O'Connor and plays in the OHL for Windsor I think, in the 09' draft I came across a guy in the ISS rankings who is playing in Britain I believe.

[IceTimer]

Hugh freakin Jessiman.

He always becomes a solid 2nd line player for me.

I don't understand however, why every asst. gm i have ranks him as a low RW.

The guy just puts up the points.

I traded him, I guess the AI is close to being right when they consider him a future franchise player.

[IceTimer]

not a bad 6th rounder. Most are garbage at that point. I find a good ranked prospect occasionally but I usually pick an over-ager and sign him to play on the farm team; at least he's doing some good as oppose to some guy that may never pan out altogether/

Seems like a bit of a waste to me.

[IceTimer]

I drafted Philip Samuelsson. He's still under 20 years old and I haven't decided whether to let him go to college or if I should sign him and assign him to my AHL affiliate.

College, doesn't he play in Sweden?

[Lazion]

I really don't know why my Fobba and Lidström regens was later rounders. They seems to be pretty solid to me.

Fobba regen
Lidström regen

My ex team Wild traded Ekman to my new team Coyotes and they got Novotny.. for me that was best trade ever.
Ekman's contract was expiring and he asked $3M per season. In other hand Novotny's salary was 7M.
Well Ekman have some problems with determination, work rate, stamina and injury proneness and might not reach his full potential. Jacobsson have low work rate too.

[philou21]

Yes they are but look at Forsberg determination and work rate! Not surprising he wasn't high at the draft.

[Andrew R]

You ever had a player from Britain?

Apart from me , No. I look for the Tony Hand regen who wouldn't be bad as an NHLer. But no look as of yet... I don't know why i send them to britain, just on that odd occasion there may be someone there.

Tony Hand regen, never heard of Tony Hand before?


There is the odd British player remotely worth considering, in the 07' draft there is a guy who was at least born in Britain, might also be Canadian, name is O'Connor and plays in the OHL for Windsor I think, in the 09' draft I came across a guy in the ISS rankings who is playing in Britain I believe.

Never heard of Tony Hand? Just be glad Calv hasn't seen this He's basically the best British player ever, got drafted by the Oilers and could have made it in the NHL but got homesick and came back to Britain. He's still playing over here even though he's about 40.

Ben O'Connor used to play in Windsor for the Spitfires, he's now back in the UK at Edinburgh. Not sure whether he's eligible for the draft anymore. In a few of my games Steven Lee has been drafted in the CHL import draft, but I've never really had a game running long enough to see if he does anything after that.

[bruins72]

I drafted Philip Samuelsson. He's still under 20 years old and I haven't decided whether to let him go to college or if I should sign him and assign him to my AHL affiliate.

College, doesn't he play in Sweden?

Nope. I believe he was born in Sweden but he's Ulf's kid, so he spent a good amount of his life in the US. He's a freshman at Boston College this year. The HockeyDB says he's played 34 games with 11 points and 34 PIM.

[IceTimer]

I decided to post this here since it's a draft/regen question, and I haven't seen any other draft threads for awhile, hope it's ok.

The 09' draft is the 1st with regens, but it's not all regens, is the 10' all regens, and if so how is this possible, since not enough players could have retired by then to fill up a whole draft, if the 10 is not all regens, then the 11' is and I ask the same question?

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Quite a lot of players retire and get regenerated. You're just not aware of them all.

[bruins72]

Yeah, there's guys in junior that stop playing and get regenerated. It's not just NHLers.

[philou21]

I've seen one guy in the 2010 draft, a real guy. He was 19 years old, he was sucking so bad that he didn't get pick at the 09 draft. For the 2010 draft he was like a 6 rounder prediction.