PowerPlay Manager

selne · Post by **selne** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:11 pm

Shadd666 wrote:
Selne wrote:.. Some people were mentionning barely every deal as suspicious, in an evident attempt to overload the GMs work to cover their own cheating..

That's really funny!

selne · Post by **selne** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:37 am

Reaction to the general sponsor offer:

"The human resources and economic department recommendation: This is one of the weaker offers. We think we could get a better one and therefore we recommend not to accept this offer."

The offer is rated with only two stars. Should i really reject it? I'm a bit nervous. The next offer could be half the value!

wildiowafan · Post by **wildiowafan** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:10 pm

selne wrote:Reaction to the general sponsor offer:

"The human resources and economic department recommendation: This is one of the weaker offers. We think we could get a better one and therefore we recommend not to accept this offer."

The offer is rated with only two stars. Should i really reject it? I'm a bit nervous. The next offer could be half the value!

I would reject it. I had a similar situation with my television deal and I rejected it. My first sponsor deal was a 5 star offer and I took it. With yours only being 2 star, its almost guaranteed to go up.

Post by **getzlaf15** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:16 pm

I just rejected my 3 star offer.

May regret it but oh well.

Then again. I'm making my money selling a few of my players. Getting big money for them as well. Some people are so stupid.

selne · Post by **selne** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:26 pm

wildiowafan wrote:
selne wrote:Reaction to the general sponsor offer:

"The human resources and economic department recommendation: This is one of the weaker offers. We think we could get a better one and therefore we recommend not to accept this offer."

The offer is rated with only two stars. Should i really reject it? I'm a bit nervous. The next offer could be half the value!
I would reject it. I had a similar situation with my television deal and I rejected it. My first sponsor deal was a 5 star offer and I took it. With yours only being 2 star, its almost guaranteed to go up.

Ok, i'll reject it.

By the way, what offers did you guys get? My first potential general sponsor offered me 24,5 millions. And the TV rights offer was about 0.5 millions.

Post by **getzlaf15** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:15 pm

I have a 4 Star rating for my 'Human Resources and Economic Department'. My General Sponsor offered 32,000,000 which was valued at a 3 Star deal. I can't remember my TV rights. But it was only 1 Star and not very big.

Quick question for Shadd: How many deals can we be offered. I mean, do i get a new offer everyday until i decide upon 1, or will i only be offered a certain amount, for example, 3 deals at maximum, at which point i have to accept it...?

selne · Post by **selne** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:24 pm

getzlaf15 wrote:.. How many deals can we be offered. I mean, do i get a new offer everyday until i decide upon 1, or will i only be offered a certain amount, for example, 3 deals at maximum, at which point i have to accept it...?

From what i know, when you get your 1st offer and if you don't accept it, you'll get the 2nd offer right on the next day. If you don't accept the second one, you'll get the 3rd offer, which is the last one.

If you don't accept one of the 3 offers, the board will sign just an offer without your permission.

wildiowafan · Post by **wildiowafan** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:54 pm

getzlaf15 wrote:I just rejected my 3 star offer. May regret it but oh well.

Then again. I'm making my money selling a few of my players. Getting big money for them as well. Some people are so stupid.

I'm just glad it was my tv offer that was only a 2-star, as i'm gambling with a lot less money.

I actually started delving into the player market lately. I've managed to sign 4 players, 3 of whom are starters for a grand total of $40,000. I might have ticked off the previous owners, but thats the risk. None of the players are great, but as I only took over my team in the middle of june they are quality on my sorry team.

selne · Post by **selne** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:51 pm

getzlaf15 wrote:I have a 4 Star rating for my 'Human Resources and Economic Department'. My General Sponsor offered 32,000,000 which was valued at a 3 Star deal..

Wow!

That's a lot of money. Do you really need all of it, Getzy?

selne · Post by **selne** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:57 pm

wildiowafan wrote:.. I actually started delving into the player market lately. I've managed to sign 4 players, 3 of whom are starters for a grand total of $40,000. I might have ticked off the previous owners, but thats the risk. None of the players are great, but as I only took over my team in the middle of june they are quality on my sorry team.

I must take a closer look at the market. Looks like there are diamonds out there!

wildiowafan · Post by **wildiowafan** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:41 pm

selne wrote:
wildiowafan wrote:.. I actually started delving into the player market lately. I've managed to sign 4 players, 3 of whom are starters for a grand total of $40,000. I might have ticked off the previous owners, but thats the risk. None of the players are great, but as I only took over my team in the middle of june they are quality on my sorry team.
I must take a closer look at the market. Looks like there are diamonds out there!

I don;t know about diamonds, but you can certainly get some serviceable hands for low cost. Plus, my feeling is that even if i lose these players for nothing later on i haven't really lost much. I ignored the market until the last couple of weeks, and now my basic rule is that i won't pay more than the minimum for any player. If someone outbids me i let them go.

gpelous · Post by **gpelous** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:24 am

I have a 32 000 000 offer sheet on the table, rated with 3 stars...gonna wait a bit

selne · Post by **selne** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:53 am

Exactly what i expected for the second offer. One million less money than on the first one!

The offer is rated with only one star!

So what's your advise now? I'm running out of stars!

selne · Post by **selne** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:18 am

wildiowafan wrote:.. I ignored the market until the last couple of weeks, and now my basic rule is that i won't pay more than the minimum for any player. If someone outbids me i let them go.

I've been bidding for 10 players in the past two days, but the players that i want.. for some reasons other managers want them, too!

Maybe i should send them a private message like "Hey, I've seen him first!"

wildiowafan · Post by **wildiowafan** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:42 am

selne wrote:
wildiowafan wrote:.. I ignored the market until the last couple of weeks, and now my basic rule is that i won't pay more than the minimum for any player. If someone outbids me i let them go.
I've been bidding for 10 players in the past two days, but the players that i want.. for some reasons other managers want them, too!
Maybe i should send them a private message like "Hey, I've seen him first!"

haha

I pretty much only look at players that are at 10,000. I then wait till they are just over a minute from the deadline and put my bid in. (I do it before the minute mark so it doesn't extend the time) I then hold my breath for 60 seconds to see if i get him.

Post by **getzlaf15** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:09 am

After my 3 star deal i was offered on day one. They were followed by a 1 star deal and yet another 1 star deal. The deals didn't have much difference in their prices to be honest. But i rejected the final 1 star deal and leaving it down to my negotiator to get it sorted.

I'm the same as wildiowafan. I'll refuse to spend more than 50,000 on any 1 player. And i think the most i have had to go is 30,000. People rip you off (like me

), and it's just not worth it. Players attributes don't differ that much at this early stage of PPM.

Post by **Shadd666** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:32 am

Exactly. Players don't worth anything right now. I don't know if it's implemented yet or not, but normally a player ending up fired and with less than OR 250 would be set to retire. So <250 is pure rubbish, and we actually have few guys at 200+.

On the market, keep in mind that there are only young players right now. So their attributes are meaningless. What matters is the qualities. But unless you've scouted the player, you get only approximative qualities. So 99% of the time, people don't know what they are really buying. (and most of the time they don't know what they are selling either) With that in mind, putting millions on the table is stupid.

And even if you've scouted the player and he appears to have strong qualities, it's not really a good idea to put a lot of money on the market. Acquiring a talented prospect is one thing, but then you have to develop that prospect. And fact is that we actually all have pretty weak installations, so the players don't develop so well. So keeping the money to develop the facilities may be a way smarter move. If we take the example of a prospect with 80+ AvQ who's training on level 3-4 facilities, you can bet he'll be a worse player than a guy with 40 AvQ training on a level 8 facility. And with the level 8 facility, ALL your players progress faster than that talented prospect. Keep that in mind when hitting the market...

To give an example, there has been recently a player bought for 12.9 M. Which is exactly the needed sum to improve a facility from level 1 to level 8! Or enough to go from level 5 to level 10. Is one player can bring more on the table than such a facility improvement? No way actually. Did the buyer had such big facilities at level 8-10 that made him think he should get a better return by buying a single player? No. Does he have so much money that 12.9 M represents nothing to him? No way. So he screwed it all.

And another thing that you mustn't underestimate is the career length. Having a 15 yo and 80+ AvQ prospect is one thing, but if his LC is already down at 4 he's useless. He'll soon be down at 3, and there's a major stepback in the progression pace at that point. Now let's imagine that this 80+ AvQ guy was unscouted and that it turns out he has just an AvQ of 60 after scouting, and you've got just rubbish.

So be VERY carefull on the market when buying...

selne · Post by **selne** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:58 am

What about if there is a player and you scouted him and he's a absolute blue chip.. like 99 quality in every attribbute. And then you try to sell him but other guys don't see his true quality, they might see 80's everywhere. Does it make sense to sell such a player?

selne · Post by **selne** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:08 pm

Nice start into season two. 2:5 loss for me.

From my starting line up four players are injured, another five i sent to camp two days ago!

Post by **getzlaf15** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:32 pm

A 5:3 win for me kicks off my new campaign.

I'm thinkin of placing my goalie on the market. He's got 53 in goaltending and people really overpay for goalies!

What did every get for their sponsors in the end. Mine i think is just under 2million a week... My expenditure isn't too high so i'm going to start saving!

selne · Post by **selne** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:25 pm

getzlaf15 wrote:A 5:3 win for me kicks off my new campaign.

I'm thinkin of placing my goalie on the market. He's got 53 in goaltending and people really overpay for goalies!

What did every get for their sponsors in the end. Mine i think is just under 2million a week... My expenditure isn't too high so i'm going to start saving!

Some people really get crazy on the goalies. 53 is a good value but it would help to get more money out of this if his overall rating is about 170 and higher.

I'm not as rich as you Getzy, my sponsor will be giving me 1,55million a week (24.9million for the entire season).

Post by **getzlaf15** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:39 pm

I'm sure it'll even itself out somwhere. The few players whose contracts i've renewed, which isn't many as i've focused on the young bloods seem to be quite high. So maybe i'm paying more out than what you are...

If i could share the wealth with fellow TBLer's. I would!

Shadd, how about a feature where i can be a bank.

And people would lend money off me, and i'd bump the interest rates up! And when they didn't pay, i'd send the bailiffs to steal some of their players!

selne · Post by **selne** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:11 pm

getzlaf15 wrote:..If i could share the wealth with fellow TBLer's. I would!

Post by **Shadd666** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:14 am

Selne wrote:What about if there is a player and you scouted him and he's a absolute blue chip.. like 99 quality in every attribbute. And then you try to sell him but other guys don't see his true quality, they might see 80's everywhere. Does it make sense to sell such a player?

You've got ways to go over that.

First thing is to advertise in the different forums that you're selling player X, that you've scouted him, and indicate what his real qualities are. This is the only time when it has any interest to advertise for players on sale: indicate their real/scouted qualities. And as far as the French forums are concerned, that's the only players we're accepting now, to avoid massive and useless spam.

Second way is to set a long enough period between the time you put the player on sale and the end of the auction. You can choose anything between 2 and 7 days. If you let just 2 days, people need to scout at 50% per day to be able to scout your player before considering making a bid. If you let your player on the market for 7 days, people just need to scout at 15% per day, which is way more reasonnable. So more people will be able to scout your player, and therefore more people will be willing to throw millions on your bank account.

Obviously, the best is a combination of both. Advertise in the forums about the scouted qualities of your players, and let him 7 days on the market. People who don't trust the qualities you mention will have time to verify by making their own scouting.

But well... Let's say you have a guy as talented as what you mention... Not sure it's worthy to sell him now. You'll get what? 5? 10? Maybe 15M? This would be a ridiculous amount for such player. By waiting a few seasons, more people would have more money to spend on such an elite prospect. Sure, he may loose a bit of his career length and may have missed some of his development due to low facilities. But in 4-5 seasons, this player should go around 50M instead of 10M actually. Still not a lot though. Fully developped team (in 20-30 seasons) will easily be willing to throw way over 100M for an AvQ 90+ prospect. And such prospect, once highly developped, should worth something around 300 to 500M and be an international star. So selling him now for 10M is definitely not the smartest move

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Reguarding sponsors, i've got just under 35M (34.95), and approx. 0.6M from TV sponsor, for a total of 2.2M a week. Already got my full plan for the season, with 30M going into the facilities for sure. The other 5M will be either saved for season 3 or spent along with the gate receipts, depending how much i can make out of it this year.

selne · Post by **selne** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:05 am

Shadd666 wrote:
Selne wrote:..But in 4-5 seasons, this player should go around 50M instead of 10M actually. Still not a lot though. Fully developped team (in 20-30 seasons) will easily be willing to throw way over 100M for an AvQ 90+ prospect. And such prospect, once highly developped, should worth something around 300 to 500M and be an international star. ..

That's a lot of money! Now i just need one such a prospect to cross my path!