Free Agency - Keeping the rights

thecoolstuff · Post by **thecoolstuff** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:39 am

How do I keep the right of a player but still not letting him on my farm teams? I know about the qualifying offer, but what about players that dont have a qualifying offer option? I really want to keep most of my prospect but my AHL farm team are stacked! Many players in my farm team didnt even play a single game. I want to retain their rights but see them playing at other teams such as in europe or other AHL or ECHL teams. What do I do?

munky · Post by **munky** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:09 am

You're talking about prospects you've signed to a contract?

If you've signed them to a contract but they aren't good enough to get playing time on your AHL affiliate, you can offer them out on loan to an ECHL/CHL/UHL team.

thecoolstuff · Post by **thecoolstuff** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:17 am

that's not really what I mean. I was talking about those old players in the unsigned prospect screen, like those players playing in europe but they are not young to be a prospect.

For example, I think its every 2 or 3 years after a draft you will have to sign the drafties to a contract before you lose the right to those players. And after you signed them, you can only assign them to either AHL or ECHL. My question is How do you keep their rights but still manage to NOT make them come to your team and farm teams? In other words, how do I make them go into the unsigned prospect screen?

Post by **Minstrel** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:14 am

Don't sign them if you won't have a spot to play them is the basic answer; you can't just endlessly hold a player's rights

That's why the word "unrestricted" is the U in UFA; they can go anywhere if you don't sign them.

But if you've already signed them and have no playtime for them then what munky said is the only other answer really. You'll have to pay a percentage of their salary before a team will take them if they are interested at all... the only other option is buying them out at which point they will again be UFAs.

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:59 pm

Something else regarding player rights I've been thinking about for a while:

By June 1st in 2007, I must have signed all CHL prospects drafted in 2005 otherwise I'd lose them to FA. Why doesn't this rule apply to AI teams/GM's?

thecoolstuff · Post by **thecoolstuff** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:55 pm

darn, I was thinking about keeping all those good prospect... For me, I'm the type of guy who is "hard to let go". Unless they are really bad players with almost no potential then I will not resign them. But I just cant let those 22 years old players go!

Another question, how come a player say, 31 years old playing in europe, you seems to be able to retain his right forever. What makes you retain their right and not sign them but have to force to sign those drafties?

Post by **Minstrel** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:38 am

Different rules govern those players.

Kris · Post by **Kris** » Fri May 26, 2006 1:13 am

Minstrel wrote:Different rules govern those players.

Is it all different when the players are European or do you mean the rules have changed after they already got drafted?

For example, in Washington, they have the rights to LinkÃ¶pings Patrick Blomdahl (born 84) and I still own his rights (2015/2016). But a slovakian prospect's (which i took in the first och second draft) rights was lost two years after, even though he was playing in Slovakia.

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:04 am

Simple. if they are a RFA, lowball them.. or give them a rediculous amount of years on their contract.. They'll reject the contract, but since you made a qualifying offer, you still hold their rights. They are then free to sign anywhere NOT in the NHL.

thecoolstuff · Post by **thecoolstuff** » Sat May 27, 2006 6:24 pm

What makes them an RFA instead of an UFA?

munky · Post by **munky** » Sat May 27, 2006 6:34 pm

thecoolstuff wrote:What makes them an RFA instead of an UFA?

They need to have a certain number of seasons under their belt before they become a UFA. I think it's three or four. Once they have played more than three or four seasons, they become unrestricted.

I think that's how it works.

gbasalmon · Post by **gbasalmon** » Sat May 27, 2006 8:01 pm

Yeah, in my Sabres dynasty, Mika Noronen rejected his qualifying offer and went back to Finland to play for HIFK. Stupid schmuck, I had to sign Curtis Sanford and bring up Adam Dennis earlier than I wanted to...

Post by **Minstrel** » Sun May 28, 2006 10:32 am

Check pages 38-40 in the '05 manual for all kinds of crazy detail about UFA v RFA contracts

axwel3221 · Post by **axwel3221** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:01 pm

So group 2 RFA is that you have a players rights, so they can go FA and not to go to another NHL team?

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:47 pm

Group II free agents are Restricted Free Agents. They're players that you retain the rights to if you offer then a qualifying contract offer. You'll see the qualifying amount when you go to offer them a contract. I'm pretty sure that these players have the right to opt for salary arbitration if you can agree to a contract with them (only if you offer them a qualifying contract). Another team can try to sign them once the free agency period opens. You'll have to right to match the offer or to accept compensation (based on the amount of the other team's offer).

axwel3221 · Post by **axwel3221** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:55 pm

bruins72 wrote:Group II free agents are Restricted Free Agents. They're players that you retain the rights to if you offer then a qualifying contract offer. You'll see the qualifying amount when you go to offer them a contract. I'm pretty sure that these players have the right to opt for salary arbitration if you can agree to a contract with them (only if you offer them a qualifying contract). Another team can try to sign them once the free agency period opens. You'll have to right to match the offer or to accept compensation (based on the amount of the other team's offer).

Like an offer sheet?

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:07 pm

"Like an offer sheet?" what? What part are you asking about? You quoted the whole thing. Do you mean the last part

Another team can try to sign them once the free agency period opens. You'll have to right to match the offer or to accept compensation (based on the amount of the other team's offer).

If that's what you're talking about, yes... that's an offer sheet.

axwel3221 · Post by **axwel3221** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:47 pm

Yep, that was it.