Official 10-11 NHL Eastern Conference Regular Season Thread

Post by **joehelmer** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:02 pm

New York Islanders claimed Evgeni Nabokov of waivers from Detroit Red Wings.

King_Louis · Post by **King_Louis** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:52 pm

well as my motto says: take everything that's free... it isn't really but take it and trade it you know that at least the detroit red wings want him so even if it's for a 7th round pick. I don't get why he had to go trough waivers... he was a free agent he should remain a free agent no? That shows that it's so a complicated business 'cause you have to deal with contracts with no trade clause, no movement caluse and no sent down clause PLUS the goodwill of the player...

Post by **joehelmer** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:57 pm

Well, the source on the Nabokov claiming also states this:

According to the NHL Collective Bargaining Agreement, any player that plays in a different professional league before signing an NHL contract must go through waivers before joining the team.

So, because he played in KHL before signing with Detroit he had to go through waivers and now he got claimed. Like St. Louis that had signed first Marek Svatos who got claimed by Nashville and also Kyle Wellwood who got claimed by San Jose.

Here's the source on Islanders' website:
http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm? ... L|NYI|home

Post by **philou21** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:41 pm

Those darn Isles, poor Nabokov who is now trapped with them....

They trade Roloson who was doing better than DiPietro to just take another goalie, ridiculous.

Post by **CeeBee** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:49 pm

It's jokingly called the Ruotsalainen rule thanks to Glenn Sather and the Edmonton Oilers who were famous for signing a European or 2 to strengthen up for a playoff run. The league decided to make it tougher so any player thats played in Europe that year has to go through waivers where every team in the league has first shot at them and only if nobody claims that player can the signing team keep him..

Post by **philou21** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:11 pm

I just read a news that Nabokov as refused to join the Isles.

Post by **joehelmer** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:20 pm

philou21 wrote:I just read a news that Nabokov as refused to join the Isles.

Link please!

Post by **philou21** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:23 pm

It's in french though.....

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/313697.html

Edit: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=350550 On TSN.

Post by **joehelmer** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:29 pm

Ah, I love when things like this happens. Time for the teams to realise that the players got their own will and that they decide if they want to play for a team or not.

Post by **philou21** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:43 pm

Yeah I kinda think that too. I read some comments and a couple of people are saying he isn't loyal or things like this. For me this is a special situation, Nabokov have agree to play for the Wings, not for that naff team called the Islanders.

What I would found stupid is if he was already with the team and wanted to leave after signing with them.

King_Louis · Post by **King_Louis** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:29 pm

I think that the ''Ruotsalainen rule'' is kind of stupid because every NHL team knew he was playing in the KHL so anyone could sign him... If you find a good player and if you don't have to draft him why should he go trought waivers

Do your homeworks and find yourself some players! That's what the wings did! I don't blame the isles cause they play by the rules but that rule is stupid. They should modify that rule and every player who's rights are not owned by an nhl club should be draft eligible. Man the nhl should start acting like the boss if they wan't to get serious...

Círyatan · Post by **Círyatan** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:45 pm

philou21 wrote:Yeah I kinda think that too. I read some comments and a couple of people are saying he isn't loyal or things like this. For me this is a special situation, Nabokov have agree to play for the Wings, not for that naff team called the Islanders.

You know, philou, I see it a little bit differently. There are some rules in play that Nabokov should be perfectly aware of (and I'm sure he is) and being claimed on waivers by another team simply had to be taken into consideration. And I'm quite certain he did consider it. Thus, in my opinion, not reporting to the Islanders is extremely unprofessional behaviour on his part. These are the rules that concern anybody wanting to sign for an NHL team having previously played elsewhere this season, and if you want to play in the NHL (and Nabokov made quite an obvious statement that he wanted to by signing a professional contract with an NHL team) you have to abide by them. If you don't like the rules, nobody forces you to come here and sign that contract anyway. Sure, if you don't want to play, nobody can force you to. But no, that's not professional behaviour, and some fines should definitely apply.

And if Nabokov wanted to be sure that he'd play for the Wings, there is a way for that: sign in the offseason, either the previous or this upcoming one. No waivers then, and you get to play for the team you choose. And you still play by the rules.

Mind you, I'm not saying I support that particular rule. To be honest, I can't make up my mind on that one. I've read a number of opinions both in support for and against this rule, and I'm still largely undecided on the matter.

And completely off topic: what choice do the draftees each year have when it comes to what team they are going to play for? No choice whatsoever. Well, you might have some options if you're Eric Lindros, but other than that... not so much.

Post by **CeeBee** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:39 pm

It's a rule that hasn't really been noticed all that much till this year 3 players have been signed and all 3 have been taken on waivers so the signing team lost out. At least I've only heard of 3 players. As for liking the rule..... meh.... the players and teams know the rule so they also know the chances that waivers might come into play. If Wellwood wins a cup in San Jose instead of missing the playoffs in ST Louis if it happens, he sure won't complain.

Same of course for the other 2 players though I can't see the Islanders winning much of anything for awhile.

Post by **B. Stinson** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:56 pm

I guess the moral of the story is: don't try to sign good players into the league, because you won't get them.

What better place for such an antiprogressive rule, than the NHL?...

Post by **philou21** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:50 pm

Círyatan wrote:
philou21 wrote:Yeah I kinda think that too. I read some comments and a couple of people are saying he isn't loyal or things like this. For me this is a special situation, Nabokov have agree to play for the Wings, not for that naff team called the Islanders.
You know, philou, I see it a little bit differently. There are some rules in play that Nabokov should be perfectly aware of (and I'm sure he is) and being claimed on waivers by another team simply had to be taken into consideration. And I'm quite certain he did consider it. Thus, in my opinion, not reporting to the Islanders is extremely unprofessional behaviour on his part. These are the rules that concern anybody wanting to sign for an NHL team having previously played elsewhere this season, and if you want to play in the NHL (and Nabokov made quite an obvious statement that he wanted to by signing a professional contract with an NHL team) you have to abide by them. If you don't like the rules, nobody forces you to come here and sign that contract anyway. Sure, if you don't want to play, nobody can force you to. But no, that's not professional behaviour, and some fines should definitely apply.

And if Nabokov wanted to be sure that he'd play for the Wings, there is a way for that: sign in the offseason, either the previous or this upcoming one. No waivers then, and you get to play for the team you choose. And you still play by the rules.

Mind you, I'm not saying I support that particular rule. To be honest, I can't make up my mind on that one. I've read a number of opinions both in support for and against this rule, and I'm still largely undecided on the matter.

And completely off topic: what choice do the draftees each year have when it comes to what team they are going to play for? No choice whatsoever. Well, you might have some options if you're Eric Lindros, but other than that... not so much.

I understand what you wanna say Ciryatan but.....I know that Nabokov probably know the risk when signing a contract with the team but the reason I think he did well by not reporting to the Isles is that the Isles are a bunch of f****** idiots. They clearly knows that nobody wants to sign with them, so they wait for some players to sign with another team and steal it on the waivers. Plus the Isles are already out of the playoffs run, so do they hope that Nabokov will win 34 straight victory to take them back to the top? Absolutely not! They just want to try to have "more wins" which is a joke.

Honestly your argument about the draft is completely out of the topic for sure.

It's not the same situation at all.

King_Louis · Post by **King_Louis** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:53 pm

Quote: If you don't like the rules, nobody forces you to come here and sign that contract anyway. Sure, if you don't want to play, nobody can force you to. But no, that's not professional behaviour, and some fines should definitely apply.

NHL Applying rules and fining

The league doesn't have any power, the players have.

Post by **philou21** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:35 am

Another concussion for Savard....

I think the guy is done.

Post by **CeeBee** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:30 pm

philou21 wrote:Another concussion for Savard.... I think the guy is done.

That really sucks

Maybe they need to take a look at car racing and see if some version of the Hans device could work in hockey. Probably not though as a player would lose too much head mobility to turn and see the puck. Seems like the only solution, and a partial one at that is to really crack down on head hits, intentional or not but when there can be such a size difference in players that a 5-10 player meets up pretty poorly against a 6-4 player..... shoulder to head and just on a normal hit sometimes.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:39 pm

They said Savard's latest concussion is a moderate one. It might just be a temporary setback. They've got to see how he responds to this one. Didn't Bergeron have something like this happen to him when he was coming back from his big concussion? I'll keep my fingers crossed. I'd hate to see the guy's career end (and not just because he's a Bruin).

Wasn't Mark Messier working with some company to develop a special helmet that was supposed to help prevent concussion? I remember reading something about this back around the time of Savard's big concussion but haven't heard anything since.

King_Louis · Post by **King_Louis** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:17 am

The NHL needs to step up and stop those hits. I'm a Flyers fans cause i like the way they play rough and tough and great offense but i hate cheap shots or blindsided hits. YES they're awesome to watch on youtube but seeing Bergeron, Booth and even the Crosby incident well something must be done. For Marc savard its sad and i agree he's probably done...

I've read somewhere that a great number of football players doesn't live past 61 years old 'cause of concussion.

Post by **Jypfan92** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:15 am

I can't stand that when Avery "screended" Brodeur, NHL made "The Avery rule". That was stupid, cause i think it was intelligent: no-one gets hurt, opposite gets irritated and aggressive and that was LEGAL. I can't stand that yesterdays hated players (Ruutu, Avery, Pronger) are replaced by insane hitters.

I really miss that time cause Ruutu, Avery didn't hurt their opposites.

In Finland there were no problem, but after few bad hits, League made zero-tolerance of hits in the head. After that there has been much more hits and concussions. What happened?

King_Louis · Post by **King_Louis** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:20 am

i think that big hits replaced fightning. In the old days of the NHL their was a sort of respect for the fights. Bill mcreary hits Gretzky and he needs to spend the rest of the game in the locker room for his own safety! Fights did bring momentum shift and it was the way it worked. Goons were fighting against goons and it had an effect on the entire team.

Now with the salary cap and all the money involved you can't sit a goon and guys like jordin tootoo said to themselves: is there a best way to change the momentum than take out the best guy on the other team? I think not! It's simple as that! After a hit just say that the game is fast or he should have kept is head up and you're ok!

Don't get me wrong a fight should not be the solution. Its once again the responsability of the NHL 'cause the NHLPA can't do nothing about it 'cause both the hitter anf the victim is protected by it.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:55 pm

I would be in favor of seeing the instigator rule dropped. There were less dirty hits before that rule came about. Back then if you gave a guy a cheap shots or dirty hit, his team's enforcer went after you and beat the snot out of you.

Post by **philou21** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:43 pm

That could be a good idea. Maybe just the fact that players, especially goons are now "scared" to fight because of that rule, lead them to do dangerous hit cause they can't fight like they did back in time.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:01 pm

I don't think it's the "goons" that are throwing the dangerous hits. It's reckless and dirty players that are doing it. The goons would be the ones keeping these guys honest.