developing players

Post by **batdad** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:45 am

Dear Maddox: Is the attribute you are speaking of POTENTIAL ABILITY?

Because if it is, most of us don't look in the editor to see how a guy is going to turn out. That would be called "cheating" in some circles or attempting to "Crack the game" in others. It makes actually playing the game a waste for some.

Or is there some other mysterious attribute that all of us don't know about, that have played this game for 3 years, that is right in front of our faces but we cannot for some unknown reason see?

selne · Post by **selne** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:49 am

MaddoxBT wrote:... Give him as much PT as you can and have the best coaches you can get ...

MaddoxBT, what is this magical " PT ". Are you speaking of Positioning or Passing Tendency?

matt44 · Post by **matt44** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:09 am

I had 3 prospects:

Krysanov - a 22 yr old Russian
Bodker - 19/20 yrs old
MacLean - 19/20 yrs old.

Both Bodker and MacLean had a year left of junior eligibility but instead thought I would try them in the CHL affiliate.

WOW! Did they tear up the league! All finished with WELL over 100 pts and won nearly all the CHL awards that season and all their morales are on superb.

Now, with Bodker & MacLean only being 20, do I move them upto the AHL? Or maybe loan them out to a ECHL side which is a bit better standard than the CHL?? (I think)

Hypnotist · Post by **Hypnotist** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:40 am

MaddoxBT wrote:There's an att that tells you how well a player is going to develop. If it's high, he's going to develop to his PA. If it's not, he's not. Give him as much PT as you can and have the best coaches you can get.

Which "att" would this be?

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:18 am

For European players, would it be best to bring them into NA right after you draft them, or keep them in Europe until you are forced to sign them? Thanks.

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:19 am

selne wrote:
MaddoxBT wrote:... Give him as much PT as you can and have the best coaches you can get ...
MaddoxBT, what is this magical " PT ". Are you speaking of Positioning or Passing Tendency?

Playing Time.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:43 am

For the Euros....it depends on the kid. Each one is different. If you think the AHL is better for him, bring him in. If not, and he has good coaching and gets plenty of ice time with his Euro team, you can leave him there.
That being said, I bring most of em over right away,

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:03 am

Well the guy i have is like 5'9. Good determination. Puts up more than a PPG in Omsk - 2 (Rus-3). But I'm not sure if i should have brought him over so he can get used to playing with bigger guys going against his 5'9 size or not.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:08 am

Rough Neck wrote:Well the guy i have is like 5'9. Good determination. Puts up more than a PPG in Omsk - 2 (Rus-3). But I'm not sure if i should have brought him over so he can get used to playing with bigger guys going against his 5'9 size or not.

Unfortunately size and weight don't matter.

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:46 am

Really? That's always a plus in someway i guess.

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:53 am

Trying to develop Stefan Legein into a good player/good ahl player and his attributes are average anyone know a good training program for him to develop

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:24 am

I always happen to put someone in the ECHL if they don't do good at first or don't have a * by their name in the ECHL. Same with AHL, if he has a * by his name in AHL, maybe give him some NHL time or make him a call up?

Post by **batdad** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:30 am

All the star by a player's name in the roster means is that he is one of the three players with the best reputation/skillset on the team according to the team's AGM. So...if you have a bad team, well....then the player may be real bad too.

mustardstew · Post by **mustardstew** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:13 am

batdad wrote:. So...if you have a bad team, well....then the player may be real bad too.

Sounds like my Challenge experience!! LOL

Actually, thought here might be the best place for this question:

How much control does everyone tend to give the farm team...

What I mean is, do you specify tactics, lineup, lines (all the head coach choices in GM options), or do you just set practice, go on vacation and let the coach do it all...

Seems there's arguments for both sides - the headache of totally managing every aspect of TWO teams, and possibly hindering team success at the behest of developing players.

This does relate to Challenge 12 in that one of my signed players is stuck behind 'more veteran' centers, and is playing 4th line minutes most of the time, but thought the answers would be interesting even outside the challenge.

Thanks in advance!

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:55 pm

I've played it both ways. I've set the practice on my farm team, gone on vacation for two weeks, and then came back to check on them. Repeat the cycle. I wouldn't count on your farm team doing that well if you follow this method. You can set your lines so you have your top prospects getting ice time but I've found that it's not enough. If you set your tactics also and take control of your farm team exactly as you do with your NHL team, you'll get better results. With my tactics in place, they win more. With more wins, their morale is higher and I think they develop better.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:57 pm

I never bother with the farm team, I just let em go.

DarkSlimus · Post by **DarkSlimus** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:25 pm

bruins72 wrote:You can set your lines so you have your top prospects getting ice time but I've found that it's not enough. If you set your tactics also and take control of your farm team exactly as you do with your NHL team, you'll get better results. With my tactics in place, they win more. With more wins, their morale is higher and I think they develop better.

Rights ! The game don't really made the lines or the tactics i think, he calculate that and made a "probable" result for game or stats grown. what i can say with my experience:

first test:
open the game, start a new game, sign good staff and go on vacation, come back at the end of the season, not the result somewhere

Second test:
Make a season with the same team (hope you contract the same staff to be more realistic). set tactics and lines, let head coach manage only the game ... play the entire season and compare to test 1

third test:
We go again in a new season, same team, same staff (if you can) and this time you control the game with a fast clock and a fast action and only good action, not the whole game in the setting. at the end of the season compare with test 1 & 2

last test:
this time you control all the aspect of your team and you play entire game in fast action (the last you can heard sounds on ice) play the season (it would be very long) and compare to the rest ... the result is incredible.

for example for challenge 12 I start a season with third test config ... after 10 matches 1-7-2 ... it's very bad and the score !!! minimum 6 GA by game, with sometimes 5 goals in the first 5 minutes (when its like that, i reset the EHM and redo my party, including never forget to save before a match). So i remember my old test and restart the season with entire game control. paying whole game, making the tactics in all aspect for each player before each games ... it's long !!! just about 1h30 by game (including the set of tactics and all of that) but it will pay. after 5 match in challenge 12 here his the result: 4-1-0 and a surprise you can see on my blog in the resume of game three (against LA kings) (never have that event in all my EHM stories) ... so it's ok for winning games and it's normal i think: to be a good GM and make a bad team a good one you must look at all and manage all parts of EHM but ....

... yes, there is a "BUT" !!!

When i play usually i take redwings and create in the editor a lot of young players who represent my friends and me. they are all between 13 and 16 years old with very good potential ability and always 20 for workrate and professionalism for they have the best development . when i create my new DB i test it with running the game on 10 or more season with only one GM with no club and always in vacation (so i contract any staff) my created players work very well during the test.
When i start to really play with my new DB i always can see that when i contract a created players, he don't work very well in my team ... some ability decrease, others grown so slowly ... but created players contracted by other NHL teams grown very well and don't care of the PA is 200 or 170 it's always better of the player who represent myself always set with 200 in ability. So young prospect grown more badly in my team than in other team. I never find the good training config.

the first time i make a DB i play with three GMs: one for the wings, one for the griffin and one for an European team where his my young avatar ... oh my god, it was so a bad party ... very long to play and very bad for my avatar cause i'm not ok with training.

Now i always play with only one GM and just add a GM for contract some staff for the griffin. my farm team grown players better than me.

In challenge 12 i play with 2 GM but i let head coach of farm team choose lines, tactics and manage on the rink. i do the trainings only and contract staff and players. And like in my old party, at 14 october, the half of my prospects decrease in stats !!

so for me, i reall think it's better to don't manage your farm team !

for the choice of league, i don't know, i always put my youngsters where they can do their best (looking at the top player of the league and compare it) i just put them where they near the same in attribut. so my prospects can take some awards during the season or at end, and hope a players win awards become better quickly...

selne · Post by **selne** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:19 pm

Sometimes when i see a prospect not developing i just give him a qualifying offer to retain the rights without signing him. After a few months he usually signs in a league that suits him best. And then i just check his stats after a while...

Laraque's regen played pretty bad at young age and did not want to develop when plying for my farm team. He played some seasons somewhere in a bottom league then in the ECHL and in Sweden. I signed him back when he was 28 and he had some good seasons on my team (i played the Canadiens). In fact his best season was his last one. He shot 31 goals and assisted 20 another for 51 points at the age of 35 and after it retired.

vroom78 · Post by **vroom78** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:42 pm

i wonder how to develop a good starting goalie.
i play with modified lidas 1.1 rosters and my team is st.louis.
i have a goalie prospect named jake allen and modified his PA to 175 he currently playing in QMJHL and have solid stats for a prospect.
how long will it take until he will be a good starting goalie with save% over .900

MOD NOTE: There is already a thread for developing players. I've merged your topic into the exiting one. - B72

Peterman5000 · Post by **Peterman5000** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:02 am

If you're running an NHL club sign him and keep sending him back to junior.

Hopefully he's playing on a good junior club.

A good rule of thumb with goalies is if the goalie is on a good, competitive club, keep him there as long as possible.

When he's ready for the AHL, ensure that he has a good deep club in front of him, it will only help his progress.

aadam · Post by **aadam** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:07 pm

There hasn't been much activity in this topic recently, but I would be grateful for some advice.

I don't know what to do with Bobby Ryan... He plays in the 4th line and in the 1st PP-unit for my Ducks team, so he gets about 11-13 minutes a game. He does very well, has 21 points in 25 games and an average rating of 7.60, but his skills are not developing at all. Is he too young? I could send him back to juniors, but I don't think the OHL would help improving his offensive skills, which are around 14-15.

LightRocket · Post by **LightRocket** » Sat May 16, 2009 4:40 pm

Generally, I send Bobby Ryan back to Juniors, when I get him. You'd be surprised. The biggest boost in attributes that he usually gets for me is when he's playing for his Juniors team. Granted, I've never kept him on my team the first year, so it could just be your coaches. Or he could have gotten off to a slow start, growth-wise. Sometimes, a player just won't take off early, but when he takes off, he'll *really* take off. And some players just don't get off to as early a start as others (Kovalchuk, for example, rarely gets better in the first two months of the season, for me.) But, since I don't pay a lot of attention to the growth of my players in Juniors, I couldn't really tell you if Ryan gets off to slow starts usually. He should, though, definitely improve some in the OHL.

I generally set tactics and practice and all that for my AHL team, and play through the games themselves. But, instead of watching the whole game at some semblence of a decent speed like I do for NHL games, I go through most of the AHL games at Fast Forward speed. I also spend less time worrying over tactics, though more time coach-searching.

aadam · Post by **aadam** » Sat May 16, 2009 7:30 pm

I'll give him some time then, maybe he will take off... He's good even at 19, but can be replaced quite easily. Every other forwards are improving, even the checkers who don't train too much offense or even veterans.

(By the way, the practice screens sucks, the green numbers indicate development compared to what?? Starting skills? Even years later?)

How do you guys control the AHL team? I thought this option can be turned on of off in the general manager options, just like controlling the reserve team in Football Manager series... Do you add a new GM?

LightRocket · Post by **LightRocket** » Sun May 17, 2009 3:33 am

Green indicates the skill is currently growing, not that it's higher than his starting skills. So, if a player starts out with 14 at something, and starts going up, it'll be a green 15. Then let's say he actually grows at that skill, but stops getting better. It'll be a regular 15. Then let's say he starts getting better at that skill again. It'll be a green 16. I probably didn't use good terminology or phrase it well, but that's how I understand it.

mrt3991 · Post by **mrt3991** » Sun May 17, 2009 8:10 am

Ok, so i've got this young kid(Fake Name) Drafted him 1st Overall out of Great Britiain. This kid is just amazing. He tore a hole in whatever the top Britain league is. The name escapes me at the moment. His first year in the WHL went like this:

Regular Season: 63GP(Played awile for team U-20 USA), 80G, 70A, 150Pts., +42, 28 PIM, 9.49 Avr

They are currently in the middle of the playoffs. What would i do with someone of this calibre?

The Screens for more info on him to help you with any advice you might have on what i should do with this guy:

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developing players

developing a starting goalie?