developing players

Post by **philou21** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:48 pm

bruins72 wrote:Did his condition increase at all once you put him on "Rest"? Maybe go to his profile and request a trainer's report?

Since i post this, i've played two games. and there's still on rest. Lethonen is back to 100% and i put him back to goalie training, my back-up ( Hasek regen ) is at 47%, it's continue to increase everyday, not alot but it increase. I don't understand because there strengh and endurance are at 20 and 18 for Lethonen and Hasek is 18-18.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:56 am

What about the trainer's report? He could have some sort of recurring injury condition? I'd definitely give him some more time on rest and maybe see if you could just not play him for a few days. Don't even dress him.

Post by **philou21** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:45 am

bruins72 wrote:What about the trainer's report? He could have some sort of recurring injury condition? I'd definitely give him some more time on rest and maybe see if you could just not play him for a few days. Don't even dress him.

Everithing is alright now Bruins, they both come back to 100% after 4-5 days on ''Rest''. I do a training report but my coachs aren't worried about them at all.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:02 pm

philou21 wrote:
bruins72 wrote:What about the trainer's report? He could have some sort of recurring injury condition? I'd definitely give him some more time on rest and maybe see if you could just not play him for a few days. Don't even dress him.
Everithing is alright now Bruins, they both come back to 100% after 4-5 days on ''Rest''. I do a training report but my coachs aren't worried about them at all.

No, he specifically means a report from the trainers, not the coaches. The coaches will comment on the players role with the team, while the trainers will comment on their health and condition.

Post by **philou21** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:32 pm

Sorry that's what i meant to say, i just made an error when i wrote this.

My trainers says that everything is alright. They don't worried about there health.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:30 pm

I see. Well how old is Lehtonen in your game? Sometimes I've noticed younger players get tired and exhausted in the beginning of the season, and I think its because they're young and haven't quite gotten down the conditioning part needed to play in the NHL.

Post by **philou21** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:12 pm

Joe wrote:I see. Well how old is Lehtonen in your game? Sometimes I've noticed younger players get tired and exhausted in the beginning of the season, and I think its because they're young and haven't quite gotten down the conditioning part needed to play in the NHL.

I'm in 2013-2014 so Lethonen is 30 and my Hasek regen only got 20 and it's is first NHL season, so maybe it's the cause.

Post by **philou21** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:50 am

Hey just need advice of some of you. I've draft in 2013 a regen that play in the OHL. He was playing is first OHL season and finish with 7.77 and like 50 points. He just played is second season and finish with 68 points and a 8.84 ratio. I sign him and he played the camp with me and finish the 3 pre-season game with 5 points and a 8.65 ratio.

I want to sent him down in the AHL but he only have 19. What should i do? He's gonna have 20 in April 2015 ( i'm in september 2014 ). So i got the choice of keep him with the team or throwing him bck in the OHL. But i fear to break or slow is ''potential'' if i can tell it this way. But keep him with my club could do the same thing. Plus, if i put him in the OHL, did i must let it do is AHL next year? That wasn't a part of my plan to keep him 2 years instead of 1 year to form him.

Hope you''ll understand well. Because i'm a french canadian i always think that i misspell some expression.

watts555 · Post by **watts555** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:19 am

philou21 wrote:Hey just need advice of some of you. I've draft in 2013 a regen that play in the OHL. He was playing is first OHL season and finish with 7.77 and like 50 points. He just played is second season and finish with 68 points and a 8.84 ratio. I sign him and he played the camp with me and finish the 3 pre-season game with 5 points and a 8.65 ratio.

I want to sent him down in the AHL but he only have 19. What should i do? He's gonna have 20 in April 2015 ( i'm in september 2014 ). So i got the choice of keep him with the team or throwing him bck in the OHL. But i fear to break or slow is ''potential'' if i can tell it this way. But keep him with my club could do the same thing. Plus, if i put him in the OHL, did i must let it do is AHL next year? That wasn't a part of my plan to keep him 2 years instead of 1 year to form him.

Hope you''ll understand well. Because i'm a french canadian i always think that i misspell some expression.

from what it seems like from reading threads... you should send him back to the the juniors... as rushing him into the NHL/AHL could ruin his development, and extra time in the OHL wouldn't hurt him... i have noticed that people here like to let their players finish their junior careers, and then one or two years in the AHL before bringing him up to your NHL club.. hope this helps... also.. it could help if you posted a screenshot of what his attributes look like and such.. just so people can get an idea on where his attributes are.

jtilson23 · Post by **jtilson23** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:29 am

From what I've seen in my games, keeping someone in juniors for his entire eligibility doesn't slow them down. If I were you, I'd throw him down to juniors for this year, followed by a year in the AHL. If his AVG rating then is 8.00 or above, then I would say give him a shot at the NHL the following season.

Post by **philou21** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:44 am

jtilson23 wrote:From what I've seen in my games, keeping someone in juniors for his entire eligibility doesn't slow them down. If I were you, I'd throw him down to juniors for this year, followed by a year in the AHL. If his AVG rating then is 8.00 or above, then I would say give him a shot at the NHL the following season.

I already know that if he got 8.00 and + in the AHL he is kind of ready for the NHL. But when a guy got 8.84 in is second OHL year, he is more than ready, so i think this sucks that i need to wait until he got 20 to put him in the AHL.

The only thing i don't like to do is letting them complete all of his junior year. If the guy finish is second year with like 100 points and a 9.74 rating, just put him in the AHL. For me i got a standard that if a prospect finish with a 8.50 and + in the junior, he is ready for the AHL, even if he didn't complete all of is year in the junior.

pens66 · Post by **pens66** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:29 pm

Keep him in the NHL and test him. After less than 10 games you can still send him back to juniors if he isn't ready yet.

Post by **philou21** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:11 pm

pens66 wrote:Keep him in the NHL and test him. After less than 10 games you can still send him back to juniors if he isn't ready yet.

You think i should do this? Maybe i'm worried too much about the consequences.

watts555 · Post by **watts555** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:13 pm

If you do put him in the NHL.. put him on the third line + PP duties.

Post by **philou21** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:17 pm

watts555 wrote:If you do put him in the NHL.. put him on the third line + PP duties.

Sure good idea! Plus, he is a defensive foward. I will do this for the first ten games and if he is not ready yet, i just sent him down.

watts555 · Post by **watts555** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:27 pm

I actually have a question myself.. I was wondering.. When sending younger players to the AHL, does it matter what line they play on?

Post by **philou21** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:43 pm

watts555 wrote:I actually have a question myself.. I was wondering.. When sending younger players to the AHL, does it matter what line they play on?

I don't know.

If you don't played you AHL team the AI will put the better with the top line and your weak player on the 3 or 4 line. But i don't know if an offence player that play on the 3rd will affect is developement or even if you don't have enough D-men the AI will put foward to defence.This could be a problem, but for me i don't have these kind of problem and my rookie are doing well wherever they played.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:25 pm

watts555 wrote:I actually have a question myself.. I was wondering.. When sending younger players to the AHL, does it matter what line they play on?

If they're a really good prospect I try to make sure they get a good amount of playing time in the AHL. The best way for these kids to improve is to play. If they've got good coaches training them but they're hardly playing, they're not going to improve as much. If I've got a really good prospect and I'm faced with either playing him in the NHL and seeing him get 5-6 minutes a game or playing him in the AHL and seeing him get 12-15 minutes a game, I'll send him to the AHL. And if there are others ahead of him on the depth chart in the AHL and he's not going to get good ice time? Send him to a lower league or loan him out to a cellar dweller team.

Hypnotist · Post by **Hypnotist** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:56 pm

In my Wings game, I signed Jakub Kindl as a 20 y/o. Otherwise I would have lost his rights. Now, the Wings have a lot of depth on the back end and Kindl (at his current depth chart position & coach's preference) will only see significant playing time in the ECHL.

So the question is, would it be better to send him back to Kitchener for his last season of junior eligibility or to keep him playing pro in the E?

He tore up the OHL as a 19 y/o so I am concerned about him stalling at that level.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:58 pm

That's really a tough call. You want your prospects to get playing time for sure. I kind of wonder if he's really gotten all he can from the OHL but at the same time, the ECHL isn't the best league for development. Then again, he'll be playing against men in the ECHL.

Hypnotist · Post by **Hypnotist** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:18 am

I've decided to let him go through the ECHL training camp and see how he does. If he stinks up the joint, he'll be back in Ontario.

mig174 · Post by **mig174** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:00 am

I'm not sure that the attributes are a very good indicator of CA.

In my game, I dropped tavares into the NHL club right after drafting. His skills barely improved, maybe each by 1-2 points. His skating stayed the same. Mental attributes stayed the same except for anticipation and creativity. I was 100% sure that I screwed up his development. I checked the save game editor and his CA was 179, same as his PA, meaning he developed fully. yet players with lower PA sometimes had higher attributes than he did.. And his point totals & AVR increased each year - i'll get a screenshot once i get home.

weird.

I've also had a problem with what I believe to be is my Hasek regen. Last year, I had to call him up for the playoffs because my starter went down with an injury. He won the Stanley Cup in 20 games. This year, he's sucking bigtime. .88 save pct and ~3.3 GAA, with AvR of 7.2. He's not improving at all... my only guess as to why he tore it up in the playoffs is that he may have a high important games modifier which made him amazing for playoffs, but for regular season, he's rubbish. I'm honestly considering giving up on him and flipping his 11 work rate and 9 determination for a 1st rounder.

nician421 · Post by **nician421** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:30 pm

I recently had a great development with Bobby Ryan and Zach Hamill.

I aquired Bobby in the middle of season 1 and left him in the Juniors. His Technical skills didn't develop much, but he had a huge development in physical stats. Accel 9 -> 11, Agi 10 -> 14, Balance 16 -> 20, Speed 14 -> 17, and Stamina 15 -> 18.

In season 2 I played him on my 2nd line with Kessel and Hamill. Letting this line play together has brought success. 25 games in to season 2, Zach and Bobby both had their technical stats jump 2 or 3 points. Kessel has jumped around 1 or 2 points.

As far as stats. They are all tied for the top spot in the race for the calder with 1 ppg each. Kessel leads the team with 16 goals and Ryan leads all rookies with 20 assists. Which is weird because Kessel has better playmaking stats and has his tactics set to: Passing -> Adventurous, Shooting -> very selective, shoot bias -> pass. Ryan is set to: Passing -> normal, Shooting -> normal, shoot bias -> shoot. Of course Ryan has far more shots than Kessel. Avg Rating for all players on this line is between 8.4 and 8.5. Morale is Superb or Very Good.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:02 pm

Very selective shooting, with somebody who has a great wristshot can win the Maurice sometimes. I have had Crosby win it that way, while also being set to pass as his preference.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:04 pm

mig174 wrote:I'm not sure that the attributes are a very good indicator of CA.

In my game, I dropped tavares into the NHL club right after drafting. His skills barely improved, maybe each by 1-2 points. His skating stayed the same. Mental attributes stayed the same except for anticipation and creativity. I was 100% sure that I screwed up his development. I checked the save game editor and his CA was 179, same as his PA, meaning he developed fully. yet players with lower PA sometimes had higher attributes than he did.. And his point totals & AVR increased each year - i'll get a screenshot once i get home.

Which database are you using? Tavares has always had a -10 in potential, so the lowest he should be is at 180. A problem that could have happened was that he was modified and given too high current ability compared to his PA.