Many players retire too early

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bäckström19
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Many players retire too early

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many player , in my game, retirement to earlie can i stop that in editor or so?

Vanek was 34? Zetterberg 36 , giroux was 35 thats not realistic.

ty for help.
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Re: Many Player retirement to earlie!

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you cant change that in editor i belive...but you have to tell more about them..where they free agents when retired? where they injured longer period? Did other players stay in the game longer or out of bunch of players only those 3 retired a bit earlier?
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Re: Many Player retirement to earlie!

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Kopi wrote:you cant change that in editor i belive...but you have to tell more about them..where they free agents when retired? where they injured longer period? Did other players stay in the game longer or out of bunch of players only those 3 retired a bit earlier?

no they was all active in my team,
than come the massage " shock retirement" Vanek end his career or so...
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Re: Many Player retirement to earlie!

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bäckström19 wrote:Vanek was 34? What the Dickens. Zetterberg 36 , giroux was 35 thats not realistic.
Here's some recent IRL NHL retirement data http://www.quanthockey.com/Distribution ... bution.php
Age 34-36 doesn't seem unrealistic at all in terms of a retirement age
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but they didnt have injuries and so on..and all contractet thats not realistic...
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I think it happened because the last update: "Adjustments to older player longevity at top levels to prevent too many players staying at top level for too long". It's a good fix, but it needs to get tweaked a bit more so decent/good players retire a bit later (I'm thinking 36-38 years old should be good. 34-35 is too early for decent/good players, barring any major injuries).
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Yup, since the last patch, my 40 year-old Varlamov suddenly dropped from almost all 18's, 19's and 20's to some attributes declining 5-10 points in a matter of days. Which is good for the game. Not for my Capitals. :-D
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Andrew55 wrote:I think it happened because the last update: "Adjustments to older player longevity at top levels to prevent too many players staying at top level for too long". It's a good fix, but it needs to get tweaked a bit more so decent/good players retire a bit later (I'm thinking 36-38 years old should be good. 34-35 is too early for decent/good players, barring any major injuries).
Maybe it depends on what you call "decent" HaHa I figure decent as above the NHL average...
The link above shows from 2000-2009 less than 170 players retired past age 35 total, so I'm not sure playing in the NHL past age 35 is necessarily the norm for decent/good players (aren't there more than an average of 17 good/decent players in the Draft each year? I think so/seems a fair number are retiring by 35 or sooner)

Also, it's always seemed to me more top/good players in EHM are more likely to stick around for reduced roles than they are IRL.....maybe that's been addressed/that's part of things too
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nino33 wrote:
Andrew55 wrote:I think it happened because the last update: "Adjustments to older player longevity at top levels to prevent too many players staying at top level for too long". It's a good fix, but it needs to get tweaked a bit more so decent/good players retire a bit later (I'm thinking 36-38 years old should be good. 34-35 is too early for decent/good players, barring any major injuries).
Maybe it depends on what you call "decent" HaHa I figure decent as above the NHL average...
The link above shows from 2000-2009 less than 170 players retired past age 35 total, so I'm not sure playing in the NHL past age 35 is necessarily the norm for decent/good players (aren't there more than an average of 17 good/decent players in the Draft each year? I think so/seems a fair number are retiring by 35 or sooner)

Also, it's always seemed to me more top/good players in EHM are more likely to stick around for reduced roles than they are IRL.....maybe that's been addressed/that's part of things too
I'd say retiring past 35 is the norm for good players. Decent for me is an average NHLer. Point is most good players still producing (top 4 dmen, top 6 fwds) should retire a bit later (36-38 years old) and a few average players (bottom pair/3th, 4th liners) should retire around 36-38.
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Andrew55 wrote:Decent for me is an average NHLer.
Looking at the current TBL database
- 139 is the average NHL CA
- over 42% of NHLers have a CA higher than 139 (almost 300 players)
- there are only 35 players total in the NHL who are over 35 (born before 1980), and only 15 have above average CAs
- there are 16 1980 born players (10 above average CA), 17 1981 born (10 above average CA), 25 1982 born (12 above average CA)

These numbers don't show a high number of older NHLers regardless of ability (there's only 47 NHLers age 33+ with an above average CA)

Also, when I look up IRL NHLers by Birth Year (I like to use HockeyReference to do so) and I look at all those below the "top 17" I see many decent/good players



Andrew55 wrote:Point is most good players still producing (top 4 dmen, top 6 fwds) should retire a bit later (36-38 years old)
We weren't given any data/screenshots about production/ice time/most recent contract/team performance/etc

If an older player actually playing/performing at a high level had recently signed a contract and then suddenly/unexpectedly retired for no apparent reason, I'd recommend using the SI Bugs Forum to (if possible) load up a copy of the game before the retirement & post an explanation so Riz can look into it
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I had defenseman Brian Campbell unexpectedly retire at 37 for the Panthers. He was my best d-man for two seasons and led all my D-men in assists and +/- in 2015/2016. He signed a two year extension near the end of the season and then after most of the better FA D-men were taken, he decided to retire. I know in the news it popped up saying he decided that this would be his last year playing, but since the season was already over and the new season was just about to start, I assumed be meant 2016-2017, especially since he just signed a new contract. Quite disappointing even though 37 is old enough to retire. His stats and abilities hadn't really dropped off though so it was pretty shocking. I didn't know uploading the save from before the retirement could have been helpful though and I don't have it anymore.
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