Detail and Sim Speed / Standard vs Enhanced

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Hey all haven't posted in a while , just a quick question about standard and advanced. What exactly are the differences [I'm still running on the trial version ]. Also when I buy the full version [yes I still intend on buying it] can I switch my current game to advanced? Thanks for the help! And sorry for not posting.

[V4ND3RP00L]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure that I kind of might get this right.

I know that you need to select the leagues that you want to watch or play in before you start your game as the GM of whatever team and so forth. After doing that, you can change each league from being standard or advanced.

So the answer to your question is, yes, you can change it from standard to advanced and backwards if you don't want it. But, just remember to select the leagues that you want before starting or you can't change that after you do.

[Shadd666]

I know for sure that standard leagues can be switched to standard, but i'm not sure if the reverse is possible. I mean that if you started the game with a standard league, i don't know if you can switch it to advanced later (unless you get a job there, which will automatically switch it to advanced.

[V4ND3RP00L]

I believe that you can, because if you get the job in another league and leave the other. It keeps it as advanced, but if you would like after you go into the other league, you can keep it advanced or go make it standard.

I know this, because I jumped from the CHL to NHL before. But I put CHL on standard because I figured I wouldn't worry about it anymore, but then I wanted to check in on it a lot more and it let me put it on advanced again.

[Shadd666]

Yeah, but it was initially set to advanced when you started the game, so then you can switch the way you want without problems.

My concernes are about leagues started as standard when you begin a new game. I don't think you can switch those to advanced later on, unless you get a job there. Not 100% sure though...

Anyhow, i'm always starting a new game with all the leagues advanced and then switch some to standard, so there's no problem

[Minstrel]

As long as you have the leagues set to 'standard' at the beginning you can change them to 'enhanced' at any time. How do I know? Because I just started up my game to check

The differences are that 'enhanced' leagues are open for you to be able to apply for open GM jobs in that league and all of their games are fully simulated so you can see their play by play details etc. Due to the game simulating the results fully instead of quick-simming them it will take a bit longer during the processing portions of the game. So if you don't care about the play by play and extended boxscores or getting jobs in that league you can make your game a bit faster to process by turning them to just 'standard'.

[ElQuapo]

As long as you have the leagues set to 'standard' at the beginning you can change them to 'enhanced' at any time. How do I know? Because I just started up my game to check

The differences are that 'enhanced' leagues are open for you to be able to apply for open GM jobs in that league and all of their games are fully simulated so you can see their play by play details etc. Due to the game simulating the results fully instead of quick-simming them it will take a bit longer during the processing portions of the game. So if you don't care about the play by play and extended boxscores or getting jobs in that league you can make your game a bit faster to process by turning them to just 'standard'.

Actually, you can still apply for jobs in a league that is running standard. If you get the job, then the league will automatically change to enchanced.

[Shadd666]

Thanks Minty for those details

And yes, ElQuapo is right about the jobs

[ervinn]

I read somewhere a while ago and the post was by Marc from SI (back when SI was hosting a forum) but I don't remember exactly what he said about standard vs. enhanced. It seemed like he was saying that the games in standard leagues are simmed differently than games in enhanced leagues...that games in enhanced leagues would be 'more accurately simmed'. Do I remember this correctly?

[Kbs]

I tried searching, but nothing comes up.

I'm a little confused on what the detail level should be in certain cases. For example, when I'm the GM of an NHL team, what other leagues should I turn the detail on for? I usually just include the CHL (OHL, WHL, QMJHL) and the AHL, but I'm wondering if I should turn the detail on for every league or if it's a waste of time (doubtful haha).

My other question is, what detail level should the "secondary leagues" be? I obviously have full detail for the NHL, but I usually put the detail level for the other leagues at Quick Sim since I'm impatient and my computer takes forever to sim a full day with every league turned to full detail.

Thanks guys, I hope my questions make sense

[timmy_t]

If you have the detail set to "All" you can click on the box score of a game, then click on the individual goal, and then playback how it was scored. It's very cpu-intensive, so unless you have an awesome computer I wouldn't recommend it.

Personally, I set the league I'm playing in to "All" and the rest to "Quick Sim" and then forget about it.

[WallyWallcakes]

I read somewhere a while ago and the post was by Marc from SI (back when SI was hosting a forum) but I don't remember exactly what he said about standard vs. enhanced. It seemed like he was saying that the games in standard leagues are simmed differently than games in enhanced leagues...that games in enhanced leagues would be 'more accurately simmed'. Do I remember this correctly?

Any truth to this? Makes you wonder. How much more accurate would it be if this were true? I'm not thinking about the league I play in, but the other leagues. Would this hurt/enhance development of prospects?

[A9L3E]

If you turn the league to standard, you can't add new managers in it, otherwise it's the same, although detail level is "None" by default. So I always use only enhanced leagues and then go to change detail level.

[LAKingsGeek]

Hello all,

I have some questions about league detail and how fast things are simmed. First some background on the type of player I am. Many years ago I played the heck out of the freeware EHM. I loved that game. It had it's issues but I like the balance of depth without completely bogging me down with micro management. Basically I liked how i could get through an entire season in a few hours. I tried the first NHL: EHM when it came out but was turned off by the insane amount of micro management and the fact that it took so long to sim through a single day, let alone a season.

I've finally decided to try and get back into the series so I bought 2007. My question is what are the benefits and draw backs of including extra leagues in my game. What's the difference between none, quick sim, all, etc. If i just have the NHL included do I still get to see how my prospects are doing in the ECHL and AHL, or should I include the AHL as a "standard" league. Will simming through days go faster without extra leagues being activated? Will I not see prospects from around the world if I don't include the european leagues?

Sorry for the barrage of questions. This game is so overwhelming at fist. I'll just have to deal with the micromanagement aspect but at least I am hoping I can speed up the pace of a season without other leagues bogging everything down.

[LAKingsGeek]

Nothing?

[Richie Daggers Crime]

You may want to take a look at the game manual. It has some info as far as your questions go.

[LAKingsGeek]

You may want to take a look at the game manual. It has some info as far as your questions go.

I did look at the manual. It didn't seem to say much at all about what each setting actually does and what would happen if i turned off all leagues except the NHL. It also couldn't give me feedback on real world performance of simming games like people on this forum possibly could.

I just want to know if there is really any benefit to turning on the AHL, some of the junior leagues and some European leagues if my only real interest is managing teams in the NHL. Will i still see my prospects progress in the AHL? Will the draft still be made up of talent from around the world? How much faster, if at all, will simming be from day to day?

[timmy_t]

I just want to know if there is really any benefit to turning on the AHL, some of the junior leagues and some European leagues if my only real interest is managing teams in the NHL. Will i still see my prospects progress in the AHL? Will the draft still be made up of talent from around the world? How much faster, if at all, will simming be from day to day?

The only benefit to turning on other leagues is being able to manage those leagues. Your prospects will develop fine, but you may want to manage your AHL team as well because you will have more control on their development. The sim speed depends on the detail level selected. I have all leagues on Enhanced and the detail level on all but the NHL on Quick Sim and I don't have a problem.

I did a quick search and I hound this thread on the difference between Standard and Enhanced leagues: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... t=enhanced

I also found this one about detail level for simming games: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... im#p103162

Each search took less than five seconds, and I really think if you wanted the answer you could have searched for it yourself. People here are willing to help new users as long as they exhaust all other resources first. And, since we're mentioning that you are a new user, why don't you introduce yourself at the arrivals forum located here: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2

[archibalduk]

Hi LAKingsGeek. Welcome to TBL.

The benefit of including extra leagues in your game is that you'll have more players. If you set a league as "none" then only the most well known players will be loaded into the game. By setting it to Standard or Enhanced you'll be loading every player from that league. Loading more leagues will of course result in a large saved game and will need more processing power when simming (i.e. you might find that the game slows down as you include more leagues). You'll be able to see your prospects regardless of whether you select the leagues they're playing in - as they have been drafted by your team they will automatically be included in your game.

IIRC the different level of simming determines whether the full match/game engine is used to sim each game or whether the watered-down quick sim is used. I expect you'll get a more realistic set of stats, results etc if you use the Enhanced sim. You might get more player stats when using the Enhanced sim - I can't remember off the top of my head. Again, the more leagues you sim, the more it'll affect the speed of the game / processing time. If you don't sim games for a league then a think the stats generated for each player are random in some way - I suppose they're generated as a best guess somehow.

Those links Timmy has provided will provide you with more info than I've provided.

Personally, if I were playing the NHL, I'd probably load the other North American and Canadian leagues as well and would set them to Standard.

[LAKingsGeek]

thanks for the input everyone. I started a game with my beloved Kings. I'm exactly halfway through the first season, sitting in 5th place in the west but only 2 or 3 games above .500. It still takes far too long to get through a season IMO but I kind of expected it.

My next question is PC hardware related. I've already searched the forums so don't give me grief, please. Is anyone running this game on an Intel Core i3, i5, or i7 machine? Is there any difference in performance? I've got a 2+ year old MacBook Pro with something like a 2.0 Ghz Core 2 Duo and 4GB of RAM. It runs alright but if I could sim games even faster that would be nice.

[archibalduk]

I'll give it a try this weekend and will let you know. I recently upgraded my laptop from a 2.0ghz Core 2 Duo, 3gb RAM to an i7 2.0ghz quad with 6gb RAM.

[archibalduk]

I'll give it a try this weekend and will let you know. I recently upgraded my laptop from a 2.0ghz Core 2 Duo, 3gb RAM to an i7 2.0ghz quad with 6gb RAM.

I found a spare 20 mins this evening to give it a go. It seems to be quite a lot quicker. I loaded up a game with the "full" database setting and with the NHL set to "enhanced" and the AHL, CHL, ECHL, UHL, OHL, QMJHL and WHL as "standard". On a vacation game, it took roughly 7 mins to sim a month during the regular season. Running this number of leagues on my i7 was certainly quicker than my Core 2 Duo running just NHL "enhanced" and perhaps two additional leagues as "standard".

I'm not sure how much the additional RAM was really an advantage. On the Task Manager, my RAM usage was approx 1.85gb. I guess maybe the fact I now have dual channel RAM might make a slight difference, but I do wonder whether there's really any advantage to having more than 2 or 3gb RAM when running EHM.

The 2.0ghz i7 quad is a big advantage over the 2.0ghz Core 2 Duo however. The CPU usage on the Task Manager didn't go above 14% or 15%. According to the Turbo Boost Monitor/Widget it took advantage of the second generation i7 Turbo Boost (which allows it to run at 2.9ghz for short burst/periods of time). It also only needed to run two of its cores (presumably EHM wasn't programmed to use multi-core processing). It makes me wonder whether say an i3 or i5 would run just as quick as the i7 with EHM. Either way, I think clock speed is going to be more important for performance in EHM rather than having more than two cores - I'm quite sure EHM wasn't designed to take advantage of multi core processors. Thus I wonder whether a 2.5ghz i5 would be faster with EHM than my 2.0ghz i7 - I wouldn't be expert enough to say though

[gazzw87]

Does EHM have a limit on the speed it processes? I've bought a new PC. I imagine that EHM is a 32bit app so it can only use X amount of RAM anyway but I loaded it up - all leagues and it was only using around 800mb of RAM and seemed to move along at the same pace as usual?

If the game is CPU dependant instead then my CPU is a lot better then the rubbish I had in the laptop!

[archibalduk]

I've merged your question into this thread. If you take a look through the posts in this thread (particularly my post directly above yours) you'll get an idea about EHM's processing speed.

My total RAM usage is normally at 1.9gb with EHM running (this is the total usage - so it includes Windows 7's usage and all my background programs - i.e. Google Chrome, antivirus and firewall). I don't know how high it peaks when simming with all leagues running on "enhanced". But there is certainly a point where no more RAM will make a difference (as with any software) - probably about 2gb or 3gb. RAM usage is dependent on the software and not how much RAM you have - so regardless of how much RAM you have installed, it'll still use the same amount of RAM.

In terms of CPU, I'm not sure how much that makes a difference either. It was certainly faster when I upgraded from a Core 2 Duo to an i7, but not as much as would have expected. I think it is more about raw clock speed rather than how many cores you have.

Installing the game on an SSD drive seems to help speed things up a little too. I don't have any benchmark to compare it to, but I can sim a season in 20 mins with the NHL on standard and the UK on enhanced now that I have an SSD. I think it was a tad slower on my old spindle drive. I need to ask my brother how fast it is on his computer - as he has the same laptop as mine minus the SSD.

[gazzw87]

Thanks Archi! I was wondering where my post had gone haha! I just wanted to see what people knew about it. My system like yours is far too 'modern' for EHM so it probably doesn't make much difference. I have run a 15 season save on my old old PC which had a Celeron and 2gb RAM and it was fine. Just wanted to see if it would be say lightning fast compared to playable fast with all the leagues.

So Archi when you play a save do you not just select all the leagues to be run?