Modding Limits List

Sbufkle · Post by **Sbufkle** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:45 pm

First of all I DID do a search to try to find a list of modidng limits and I didnt!! lol!

K... through misc threads one can read in modidng forums and other forums that as with all games there are hard coded things thaqt CANT be changed.

How about we start a thread here to establish an 'all in one list'?

Heres a few I believe are unmoddable: (Correct me if Im wrong)

You cant delete team history. If they won 24 cups in thier history, you can change the city, nickname and a bunch of things, but theyll always have the cups.

You cant unretire numbers in the game.

Heres one Im not too sure about:you can change a leagues logo but not its name. So I can affix the WHA log to the NHL league, but I cant change the league from NHL to WHA.

Any others to add??? Yeah, I know theres lots!!

Moved to Graphics and Game add ons forum by batdad

Post by **B. Stinson** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:08 pm

Some off the top of my head:

1. Cannot modify league structure. Leagues must retain default conferences/divisions as well as number of teams. Number of teams in divisions/conferences also must remain the same.

2. Cannot add/remove playable leagues(but you can add non-playable leagues).

That's all I can think of for now.

By the way, great idea for a thread! This will be a huge help, since EHM future will be entirely based on modding.

Settler · Post by **Settler** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:32 pm

Hi Guys

Just found this page and i love it, great job!

Have one question to you.

I want to add more divisions in one country (Sweden), so i can play in more leagues then just Elitserien and Allsvenskan.
Does anyone know how to do this?

V4ND3RP00L · Post by **V4ND3RP00L** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:39 pm

I believe that you can't add new divisions. All of the leagues that are playable are actually hard coded into the game.

All you could possibly do is take any league that is playable, change name, team names, and whatever else you want to do in whatever order.

All in all, you can't add anything without taking one thing away.

What do I mean by that?

If you want to add some new NHL team, you have to remove one. If you want to add a new league or division, you must remove a league and division.

If you are interested in doing some little work on this here and there, then use the game editor from the EHM UK site.

Search for it on Google and you will find it, right now I am too tired to look and post the link.

Post by **B. Stinson** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:40 pm

http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... php?t=3701

Post by **batdad** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:50 pm

Welcome aboard Settler. Please do a forum search when you want to ask a question. As Stinson has already pointed out there is a great thread for this question already. Use the mag glass in the top corner (right)

Anyway, welcome and please introduce yourself in the arrivals section.

I have moved this thread to proper location. Thanks Stinson.

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:42 pm

I wanted to change the name of the IHL league to something else... The question is if i rename the league but create it in the game with no teams in it will the game crash or no..

The reason why i asked is because theres a league that just started up and has 6 teams like IHL has an wanted to create it and just wondering if these would make my game crash... Thanks

Sbufkle · Post by **Sbufkle** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:10 pm

Im pretty sure you CANT rename it. (soemone correct me if Im wrong!)

For WHA mod I definatley couldnt.. but I still gave it WHA logos.. same thing with minor league, I wanted to change AHL to SHL but couldnt, however I changed logo..

although a perfectionist, I can live with this in a mod.. you see the WHA logo, click and its WHA.. but in text strings it says NHL.. bah.. there are worse things!

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:23 pm

Sbufkle wrote:Im pretty sure you CANT rename it. (soemone correct me if Im wrong!)

For WHA mod I definatley couldnt.. but I still gave it WHA logos.. same thing with minor league, I wanted to change AHL to SHL but couldnt, however I changed logo..

although a perfectionist, I can live with this in a mod.. you see the WHA logo, click and its WHA.. but in text strings it says NHL.. bah.. there are worse things!

Sbufkle

Question... If you weren't able to change the league name could u change the teams like put in the WHA teams instead of the league teams that u replaced?

Sbufkle · Post by **Sbufkle** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:50 pm

Yes you can change team names for sure. Theres an infamous error that can pop up about 'team index' but this can be worked around if/when it pops up.

Not only have I replaced all 30 MHL teams to WHA, but have 12 of the many yet to go minor teams changed too.. theres no reason why all team names cant be changed.

DONT ASK ABOUT AFFILIATIONS THOUGH.. thats new ground for me, although it CAN be done I have read!

Post by **Tasku** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:05 pm

Sbufkle wrote:Yes you can change team names for sure. Theres an infamous error that can pop up about 'team index' but this can be worked around if/when it pops up.

Please, do tell!

Post by **B. Stinson** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:22 pm

An oddball one that just came to me:

- Some team colours apparently can't be changed... i.e. Buffalo Sabres.

When I went through my own DB to update colours around the beginning of the season, a couple teams' colours would never change from default... but in the editor, they showed as the colours I changed them to. I tried adding silver trim to the Sabres, but it remained blue/yellow whenever I started a game.

Sbufkle · Post by **Sbufkle** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:20 pm

Tasku wrote:
Sbufkle wrote:Yes you can change team names for sure. Theres an infamous error that can pop up about 'team index' but this can be worked around if/when it pops up.
Please, do tell!

This seems to happen sometimes for some teams and with certain teams all of the time.. for instance Ottawa Senators (I believe theres a TM) after the name as well.

So for example Im going to overwrite Ottawa with the San Diego Mariners. What I do is I take another Ottawa Team already in the database and name them the exact same thing as the Senators (Including the TM symbol) Choose a team you know isnt used in the minors ect.. in other words.. you cant play with in a league. So if theres a team called 'Ottawa Junior Senators' I change them to the exact same name fields as the NHL club has in the database. Now save your database.

When you open it up again, there will be two Ottawa Senators (with TM symbol) Open up the NHL level one and modify it to San Diego Mariners. Save as normal.. reload... you wont get error.

There will be no team index error because there is an exact match to what the program is looking for... just so happens to be a non active league team now!

I literally modified all the teams for the WHA mod. Note that I used the 1980 mod as a base, where Edmonton, the Calgary Cowboys, Winnipeg Jets and Quebec Nordiques were already there, but changed arena data ect for them, but the remaining 26 teams all had to be changed name wise.

I didnt do this work around for all of them.. I would save a version of the database each time I changed one team.. Id test it to see if it loaded... if I got no index error i did the next team.. if I got and index error I load a backed up version of the database I made prior to the last change, then do the little work around.

As far as team colours, I must have modified at least 25 of them.. now I cant for the life of me remember what team overwrote Buffalo from my memory... but considering there were no WHA teams with the Sabre colours... I think I changed it with no issue.. but I am on work laptop so cant verify this till tonight.. I dont think I have changed the roster names for whatever team Buffalo orverwrote, so I should be able to see what team i did overwrite it with... I had checked off on my list that all team colours had been finalized.. so thats why I think I went around it.. maybe changing the team name helped?? Ill let you know!!!

Sbufkle · Post by **Sbufkle** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:21 pm

tell you what guys.. once I have time.. Ill do a graphic tutorial showing how I did the name workaround for this for the knowledge base!

Post by **Tasku** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:25 pm

Hmm... That's interesting. It can be used in some cases for sure, but to add another "Tampereen Ilves" and "Hämeenlinnan Pallokerho" to the game in the official TBL roster update may prove a bit tricky, being that you can't just throw it into some obscure league and forget about it, thinking no one will notice. Some user will point it out sooner or later...

Sbufkle · Post by **Sbufkle** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:48 pm

Tasku wrote:Hmm... That's interesting. It can be used in some cases for sure, but to add another "Tampereen Ilves" and "Hämeenlinnan Pallokerho" to the game in the official TBL roster update may prove a bit tricky, being that you can't just throw it into some obscure league and forget about it, thinking no one will notice. Some user will point it out sooner or later...

Nothing is perfect, and to be honest, the only leagues the majority of us play are the ones on the main start up screen while there are a ton of teams in the database that are mearly reference for string data. Were just replacing some of these 'filler' team names. Even if it goes into a midget league.. so when your scout reports that "Joe Blow is doing well in midget for the Ottawa Senators" well its not perfect, but it does in fact work. To be honest anyone who complains about this.. well PLEASE! consider the other option that there are modding limits...

In fact by default there are teams like the defunct Cleveland Barons already in the database.. so replacing theier name is something that wont conflict with any active team on any level! I mean if soemone takes the time to look in database you may find out how many teams are liek this are in it so they can be the ones to be replaced without overwriting any other active club

Mind you I havent tried simply making a team from scratch and putting them into a bogus league with the 'problem index' name... that could fix it as well. I have only changed exisiting database team names..

Post by **Tasku** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:51 pm

Good point. Might have to apply the changes at some point

Sbufkle · Post by **Sbufkle** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:07 pm

Since future EHMs are for now DEAD.. the modders have the baton and will aim where the community goes.

Thats why I suggeted this thread. There will be more databases and then more and more!! well find new things, new techniques ect ect.

Its better to make a few that are built on than try to drag it on and make an ultimate one.

One thing is for us to do things like look at modding limits and use things like these defunct team slots and make them useful.

Just a bone to throw out there!

pens66 · Post by **pens66** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:08 pm

During my preparations for the 79-80 mod I noticed that this index-error occurs for following NHL teams:
Ottawa Senators, Atlanta Thrashers, New Jersey Devils, Nashville Predators, Dallas Stars, Phoenix Coyotes, Minnesota Wild and Columbus Blue Jackets.

My workaraound: I left those teams intact. I only removed them from the NHL and replaced them with one of the countless teams that are not assigned to any league. Then I just renamed those teams to what I wanted and was ready to go.

Sbufkle · Post by **Sbufkle** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:26 pm

pens66 wrote:During my preparations for the 79-80 mod I noticed that this index-error occurs for following NHL teams:
Ottawa Senators, Atlanta Thrashers, New Jersey Devils, Nashville Predators, Dallas Stars, Phoenix Coyotes, Minnesota Wild and Columbus Blue Jackets.

My workaraound: I left those teams intact. I only removed them from the NHL and replaced them with one of the countless teams that are not assigned to any league. Then I just renamed those teams to what I wanted and was ready to go.

there we go.. a simpler way of doing what I did!!

Post by **vilifyingforce** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:23 am

Interesting. I changed the Nashville Predators with no problem. And can't you go into league tab and change the nhl?

@Stinson, when you did the colour change did you start a new game?

Post by **Tasku** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:47 am

dybbuk wrote:Interesting. I changed the Nashville Predators with no problem. And can't you go into league tab and change the nhl?

Did you try to start a game with it? Did it work, no errors?

Post by **B. Stinson** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:04 pm

@Stinson, when you did the colour change did you start a new game?

Yes. Several of them, actually.

Post by **archibalduk** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:21 pm

B. Stinson wrote:
@Stinson, when you did the colour change did you start a new game?
Yes. Several of them, actually.

I didn't realise that there's certain teams where changing their colours doesn't work. I remember with an old version of Championship Manager (the series before SI changed to Football Manager) that there were certain teams that you couldn't edit. For some reason, these teams were vital to the game and so things such as their names couldn't be changed.

Remember when we were trying to change team colours using extra_config? For some reason we just couldn't get it to work

Post by **vilifyingforce** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:59 am

Tasku wrote:
dybbuk wrote:Interesting. I changed the Nashville Predators with no problem. And can't you go into league tab and change the nhl?
Did you try to start a game with it? Did it work, no errors?

Yep, even had it going online for testing briefly. No errors reported anywhere's. Still have the db if you want to look at it.

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