ELITE LEAGUE 2010-2011 Salary Cap?

OliverBeckham · Post by **OliverBeckham** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:47 pm

Are you sure that the ELITE LEAGUE 2010-2011 Salary Cap is the right amount in Lidas update?

Where can i find out the cap please?

Post by **A9L3E** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:50 pm

You can find it in the same spot as the database files. The name is transfer_rules or transfer_config. You can also edit caps with the Saved-Game Editor, you find them in "Tools -> Edit Caps" (or something like that).

OliverBeckham · Post by **OliverBeckham** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:06 pm

No what i mean is it is set at 9200 per week but i have been told by a few friends that it may not be the right official cap?

Post by **Manimal** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:29 pm

The cap in the 2.3 version is from 09-10, not 2010-11

Post by **Calv** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:03 pm

The cap was confirmed two seasons ago by the Phoenix GM, it was then confirmed that it was increasing by 25% last season on the EIHL website. This season there was rumours that there was no cap, however this has been contradicted by several coaches & GMs.

Unfortunately they have not said what the new cap is this season. The fact that hardly any of the teams follow the cap leads me to think that maybe we should just increase the cap a load and let teams spend as much as they like. Considering the players that the club & league reputations will allow you to sign, you probably won't be able to spend that much anyway.

OliverBeckham · Post by **OliverBeckham** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:18 pm

Well i would like to find out an official cap so i can change it at the end of my 1st season as manager

Post by **Manimal** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:21 pm

OliverBeckham wrote:Well i would like to find out an official cap so i can change it at the end of my 1st season as manager

Then do so and tell us afterwards!

OliverBeckham · Post by **OliverBeckham** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:29 pm

Calv wrote:The cap was confirmed two seasons ago by the Phoenix GM, it was then confirmed that it was increasing by 25% last season on the EIHL website. This season there was rumours that there was no cap, however this has been contradicted by several coaches & GMs.

Unfortunately they have not said what the new cap is this season. The fact that hardly any of the teams follow the cap leads me to think that maybe we should just increase the cap a load and let teams spend as much as they like. Considering the players that the club & league reputations will allow you to sign, you probably won't be able to spend that much anyway.

Well i have just emailed THE ELITE LEAGUE for confirmation, Calv are you trying to say its £9200+25% per week cap now it is £11500 this year?

If it was £9200 per week last year and its plus 25% = £11500?

Post by **joehelmer** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:35 pm

OliverBeckham wrote:
Calv wrote:The cap was confirmed two seasons ago by the Phoenix GM, it was then confirmed that it was increasing by 25% last season on the EIHL website. This season there was rumours that there was no cap, however this has been contradicted by several coaches & GMs.

Unfortunately they have not said what the new cap is this season. The fact that hardly any of the teams follow the cap leads me to think that maybe we should just increase the cap a load and let teams spend as much as they like. Considering the players that the club & league reputations will allow you to sign, you probably won't be able to spend that much anyway.
Well i have just emailed THE ELITE LEAGUE for confirmation, Calv are you trying to say its £9200+25% per week cap now it is £11500 this year?

If it was £9200 per week last year and its plus 25% = £11500?

Calv is trying to say that nothing has been said about the salary cap this season. Just that the salary cap increased 25% for the 2009/2010 from the 2008/2009 season.

Tiger Tom · Post by **Tiger Tom** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:09 pm

OliverBeckham wrote: Well i have just emailed THE ELITE LEAGUE for confirmation, Calv are you trying to say its £9200+25% per week cap now it is £11500 this year?

If it was £9200 per week last year and its plus 25% = £11500?

Good luck with that. The league's been going at least 6 years now and they've only just released the rule book!

OliverBeckham · Post by **OliverBeckham** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:23 am

So joe what would you say the cap is at right now and what would the TBL think the cap is at?

On Lidas 2.3 update it is at £9200 per week salary cap, was that a made up value or a official one?

Post by **joehelmer** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:31 am

OliverBeckham wrote:So joe what would you say the cap is at right now and what would the TBL think the cap is at?

On Lidas 2.3 update it is at £9200 per week salary cap, was that a made up value or a official one?

I have absolutely no idea what the cap is and I don't think anyone at TBL knows as there seems to be no official cap that we've heard of. But if you get a answer from the Elite League I think you will get the official number.

OliverBeckham · Post by **OliverBeckham** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:52 pm

Calv wrote:The cap was confirmed two seasons ago by the Phoenix GM, it was then confirmed that it was increasing by 25% last season on the EIHL website. This season there was rumours that there was no cap, however this has been contradicted by several coaches & GMs.

Unfortunately they have not said what the new cap is this season. The fact that hardly any of the teams follow the cap leads me to think that maybe we should just increase the cap a load and let teams spend as much as they like. Considering the players that the club & league reputations will allow you to sign, you probably won't be able to spend that much anyway.

Wait so if it is £9200 per week and you said that they announced it will be upped by 25% then this season should be £11500 per week Calv?

Post by **Calv** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:46 am

2008/2009 season: Cap was ~£7,400 a week - confirmed by Manchester Phoenix GM.
2009/2010 season: Cap increased by 25% to ~£9,200 a week - confirmed on EIHL website.
2010/2011 current season: No cap has been confirmed by the EIHL or any clubs.

I know that Hull originally budgeted for £225,000 for the whole season for salaries, before their ownership changed. So you can work backwards from this since the season is only 30 or so weeks long.

If you want to be realistic then the majority of the clubs are breaking the 'cap' anyway and will go unpunished. So you may as well put an unrealistically high cap on anyway. The club & league reputations mean you will not be able to sign any AHL/NHL players anyway so there will be no harm.

Post by **Calv** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:13 pm

According to an interview by Giants GM, the Giants are spending £300,000 on salaries this season. They should be one of the higher spending teams in the league, although that probably doesn't include any university deals they have (about 5 iirc), where player also study at the university for free for 1 or 2 years.

grazza · Post by **grazza** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:07 pm

I haven't seen in the editor what the club reputations are but I would probably look at what teams have managed to bring in bigger named players than you would expect and perhaps look at raising their reputation to attract better players but they would still be restricted by their budget and the leagues reputation. Belfast have always been quite good at getting a slightly better player than most others Nottingham and Coventry I think also have strong university partnerships. I agree though that raising the league cap may help show a more realistic gap between top and bottom EIHL teams.

Post by **Manimal** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:17 pm

I am not too familiar with the EIHL. If someone would be so nice to make up a list of those reputations then I'll add them in the database. Also, the cap is by week and in US$ in the database. What figure do you guys think we should use?

grazza · Post by **grazza** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:40 pm

hmm looking at Lidas 2.1 there does appear to be differences in rep between teams in the EIHL whereas there wasn't in original DB. So perhaps its not too bad overall. Generally home grown players stay with their team so perhaps we need to ensure that say if a player has been with a team for couple of years that club is listed in his liked teams and teams of a similar standard are disliked e.g. Nottingham, Sheffield and Belfast don't really get home grown players from each other but bring in their own or from smaller UK teams.

Maybe the league reputations could be tweaked. EIHL is at 7 and EPL at 5 maybe drop EPL down a bit and EIHL could rise slightly more in line with say Denmark, France, Italy, Norway. Yes perhaps these leagues are a bit better than UK league overall but a similar reputation will allow bigger teams to sign similar sort of players where as smaller teams with small reputations and budgets will get cheaper players.

I could maybe look at this a bit more and could certainly try and help particularly with the 3 Scottish teams - Braehead Clan (brand new team), Dundee Stars (new to elite from Scottish league) and Edinburgh Capitals.

As for the cap £300,000 sounds okay its $470,580 by current exchange rate.

Post by **Manimal** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:45 pm

grazza wrote: I could maybe look at this a bit more and could certainly try and help particularly with the 3 Scottish teams - Braehead Clan (brand new team), Dundee Stars (new to elite from Scottish league) and Edinburgh Capitals.

Please do, I have added them in the db, but most info is blank atm.

grazza wrote: As for the cap £300,000 sounds okay its $470,580 by current exchange rate.

That is the yearly rate, right? The db wants the EIHL cap as weekly. Shall I divide it with 52 or the number of actual weeks in the season?

grazza · Post by **grazza** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:22 pm

Aye the figure I suggested was yearly. Will be able to help with getting more info on teams e.g. market size etc Anything else you can think of that I could look at to help?

Post by **Manimal** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:33 pm

grazza wrote:Aye the figure I suggested was yearly. Will be able to help with getting more info on teams e.g. market size etc Anything else you can think of that I could look at to help?

All the team info you can get is good. Rivalries and such. If you have the time then you could look at players and staff. Perhaps with the EPL, as well?

The question still withstands, though. How many weeks are an EIHL season? If I divide it by 52 then the sum is only half of the sum in the db

grazza · Post by **grazza** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:36 pm

As it has it in the game teams seem to start pre season about 20th or so of August and play offs finish early April. I would say then start of August and expires end of April . That is about 9 months so say 75% of 52 = 39 weeks.

Post by **Calv** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:20 pm

I will have a look at this as well, I did all the English editing last season, I think I set up some rivalries though?

I also need to look at the attendances, as they're always too high....

grazza · Post by **grazza** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:54 am

EIHL INFO - general info on EIHL Sides and also player stats etc

Rivalries - thought I would put them here to allow some debate. I have put rivalries 1 to 3 based on most intense. Some rivalries are more geographical and others are perhaps based on history between teams particuarly those at similar ends of the table. I have braeheads 3rd rivals being nottingham purely as they share the same owner likewise with Hull and Coventry.

Team Rival 1 Rival 2 Rival 3

Belfast Giants Coventry Blaze Sheffield Steelers Nottingham Panthers
Braehead Clan Edinburgh Capitals Dundee Stars Nottingham Panthers
Cardiff Devils Coventry Blaze Sheffield Steelers
Coventry Blaze Belfast Giants Cardiff Devils Nottingham Panthers
Dundee Stars Edinburgh Capitals Braehead Clan
Edinburgh Capitals Braehead Clan Dundee Stars Newcastle Vipers
Hull Stingrays Newcastle Vipers Sheffield Steelers Coventry Blaze
Newcastle Vipers Hull Stingrays Edinburgh Capitals Belfast Giants
Nottingham Panthers Sheffield Steelers Coventry Blaze Belfast Giants
Sheffield Steelers Nottingham Panthers Belfast Giants Hull Stingrays

Jerseys
Belfast
Belfast home
Belfast Away

Braehead Clan
Braehead home
Braehead Away (purple)

Cardiff Devils
Cardiff Home
Cardiff away

Coventry Blaze
coventry home
Coventry Away (dark jersey)

Dundee Stars
Dundee home (light jersey)
Dundee away (dark blue)

Edinburgh Capitals
edinburgh home (white jerseys)
Edinburgh Away

Hull Stingrays
Hull home

Hull Away

Newcastle Vipers
Newcastle home
Newcastle away

Nottingham Panthers
Nottingham home
Nottingham away

Sheffield Steelers
Sheffield home
Sheffield Away

OliverBeckham · Post by **OliverBeckham** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:52 am

To be honest the attendances were actually up this year, even in the lower leagues, in the Newcastle Vipers programme there was a article about how all attendances have increased this year for all teams including Manchester from the lower leagues who have attracted players like, Andre Payette and Ed Courtney.

I think its important that this league rep is upped and the budget is upped as many teams lately have had much interest from Stronger Bigger rep players, remember Elite League even has some NHL stars (Brad Smyth) Belfast... and used to have alot in the past.

In the past updates there has always been very good accuracy in the NHL league of Lidas updates but never in UK Ice Hockey as in Elite League and EPL etc, it would be great for once, for someone to accuratly make this league playable as TBL has many UK hockey fans who use there forums.