Lidas Rosters 2009/10 - Mistakes/Omissions/Tweaks/Etc

Post by **batdad** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:05 pm

Small sample size. What have teams played 20 games? Not too long ago, 10 games in Willie Mitchell led the Canucks in scoring. So I think all of his attributes should be upped to 15 and better.

I think that Andrew Raycroft since he has played 8 games and is 5th in the NHL in GAA should be the 5th best goalie in the league.

I think that Rick Rypien has destroyed Stortini, May and two others in fights so should be the best fighter 20 aggression, 20 strength in the league.

I think that Erhoff is clearly now the Canucks #1 dman and needs to have his skating improved to 20, his passing to 18 and his shot to 20.

I think that Alex Edler needs to have his passing reduced from 17to 3 and his potential should be that of a career 6th dman becuase he has been horrible so far.

Same for Roberto Luongo as Edler...drop all his stats.

And Milan Lucic and Mark Savard should have horrible injury ratings as should Ovenchicken, Malkin, Daniel Sedin...

Oh and Steve Anthony is clearly the best 7th round draft pick ever, because for the first time in his junior career he is putting up some numbers. __Sorry but really he is putting up #s becuase he has a decent lineup and his coach is playing a style that allows #s to be put up.

That said, junior players are being looked at for a future release for their stats and to have attributes tweaked. If you notice Manimal is working on this, and there will be upgrades to some of these players like Taylor Hall, Seguin etc. It will just take awhile.

and in all seriousness--no those changes do not need to be made to Canucks.

And BTW--The top Swedish Junior League is not exactly strong. Most kids in Sweden who do not come play in the WHL, QMJHL and OHL...make the Swedish men's teams and play there.

Which brings me to the Blackhawks pick 5th round of 2009 who is leading Djurgaardens IF (men's team not Junior) in scoring this season....hmmm maybe he is the next coming of Peter Forsberg? I think he is a better player than Almqvist. In fact, I am sure of it. I mean its obvious....

Post by **visualdarkness** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:12 pm

Batdad: I totally agree with you. Therefor I don't suggest changes only based on this season, but if someone was about to have his stats changed and this season just proves me right I add it to my judgement. It feels somewhat bad to have your favourite players racking up point up to this date this season and have them just mediocre in the game, but players often go on a streak both in IRL and in the game.

duff88 · Post by **duff88** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:01 am

Another worthy correction would be on Richard Park of the Islanders. His in-game persona doesn't reflect how much of a hard worker that player is; he's one of the best in the league.

Post by **visualdarkness** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:24 am

Jost found one more thing I somehow missed with the Oilers :
Frederic Chabot - Goaltending Consultant

He should be pretty good too since he got a really good reputation after his work with the national team camps, I can't give any better profile though.

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:31 am

lapaz wrote:
Lidas wrote:I worked on the players, but since some of them have randomized values, I dont know what values you have seen on the players, and thus I cannot know what value to set. Maybe you could check the values in the editor instead.
I don't understand what you mean... Can you explain more? But I checked attributes at Pre-game editor.

Some players have the value "0" set for attributes in the database. If they have a "0" in the database, they get a random number in the game. Sometimes the player can get a "5", and at other times he can get a "12".

Hensel · Post by **Hensel** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:51 am

Jordan Hensel-Peninsula Eagles- Plays defence not LW.

Brayden Schenn-Brandon Wheat Kings- Should be way better defensivly. He was compared to Mike Richards at the draft.

Jamie Benn- Dallas Stars- Dominated the WHL, World Juniors and Memorial Cup. Had more points than Taveras for most of the early season until recently. Will be future NHL allstar, should have all offensive attributes hightened.

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:13 am

Korppu wrote:
Lidas wrote:
lapaz wrote: Farm teams:
JYP --> D-team
Ilves --> LeKi
Tappara --> LeKi
Pelicans --> HeKi
Kärpät --> Hokki
SaiPa --> Jukurit
HPK --> SaPKo
TPS --> TuTo
Lukko --> FPS
As for the farm teams - are they really farm teams, or teams that they usually loan their teams to? There are similar relationships in Sweden too, but I didnt set them as farms.
Some are, some are not. I will probably take a closer look while researching them. Just keep Finnish Mestis and Suomi Division suggestions coming if you have some.

Oh, and also Kim Nabb (Lukko Sm-League) needs slight buff, maybe around 70 CA, and add +1 to some workhorse attris. like checking, workrate, strength.

Samuli Kivimäki (Lukko) needs to be buffed to around 70 CA too and PA should also be higher (probably around 100 or -5 should do it) as he has some future potential in him. He has pretty bad technical attris atm so some need to be buffed. For example +3 Flair, +1 Passing, +3 Slapshot. +2 Stickhandling, +1 Wristshot, Deking +1.

Kurtis McLean (Lukko) is one of the top players in SM-League atm so he needs to be better. Unfortunately most of his attris are random so ill make something out of my head: Stickhandling 11, Passing 13, Slapshot 10, Wristshot 12, Movement 11, Pace 12, Acceleration 11, Vision 13, Pass Tend 12, Faceoffs 13, Hitting 8, Checking 12, Agility 11, Dirtyness 7. Current Ability 105, Potential 110.

Petri Vehanen (Lukko) buff CA to atleast 115 and PA to 122, raise one-on-ones, rebounds and glove by +1.

Eero Kilpeläinen (Ässät) also needs little buff. He is good goalie in bad team. CA 103, PA 114. Add +2 to Rebounds and Glove.

Suggestions were made looking at 2.0 Database.

-SK

McLean is no longer randomized, and I also worked on your other suggestions.

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:19 am

tiger-hai wrote:
Lidas wrote:
tiger-hai wrote: Thanks a lot for the quick answer. Who is researching the DEL? Is anybody doing this or do you need more help?
djskek wanted to take over after timmi611, but he wants to update the database directly, whereas Id like him to send me excel sheets. If he doesnt change his mind, I need to look for another researcher.
Do you have templates for the excel-sheets you want? I could do some work...

The research sheet is HERE

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:32 am

tksolway wrote:I took a look at the Oilers in the DB now that I have time, here's some observations

-Taylor Chorney should be faster.
-Comrie is playing LW/C this year
-Eberle should have better abilities all around, He would have stuck in the NHL this year in the Oil didn't already have too many forwards. in Regina this year, he has 2 points per game.
-Brule could also get a small boost in his offensive attributes, he has 10 points in 16 games (5G, 5A)
-I don't know if there is a stat for that, but Grebeshkov has a really bad habit of giving the puck to the opposite team (somone already asked to have his defensive abilities lowered I believe).
-Jacques should have a little better hitting, its pretty much what he does , higher injury proneness though, every time he gets called up he injures something.
-Steve Macintyre was claimed by the Panthers on Waivers
-Reddox's shooting and passing attributes should be lower, he is truely useless for anything but banging bodies.
-Nilsson's teamwork, work rate, consistancy, and positioning should be less.
-O'Sullivan is RW/LW/C this year, He shoots a lot as well (56 so far), I'm not sure how the pass shoot tendancy works in the editor, but he should be closer to the shoot end.
-Penner is an interesting problem. He's in the top 5 in scoring this year. But in the past has been somewhat streaky. If you think its right to increase some attributes now, or wait until later in the season and see if he keeps this up. Personnally I'm ready to say to Burke: "So 4.5 million, way to much for that player eh." Always said they would be overpaying for him for the first couple years. Hope he keeps up this pace, it would be great for the Oil to finally have that type of player again.
-Pisani's injury proneness should be up, they guy can't play a week without injuring himself.
-Stortini should have higher bravery, he led the league in fighting majors last year

Hope this helps, If you all don't agree with my ideas here, its ok, I realize I may have my Homer Glasses on.

Thanks, Homer

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:35 am

Footnote75 wrote:I do think that Shawn Matthias is a bit better than he comes out in this

You're right, his attributes were a bit low considering his CA. I boosted him a bit.

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:40 am

visualdarkness wrote:
tksolway wrote:I took a look at the Oilers in the DB now that I have time, here's some observations

-Taylor Chorney should be faster.
-Comrie is playing LW/C this year
-Eberle should have better abilities all around, He would have stuck in the NHL this year in the Oil didn't already have too many forwards. in Regina this year, he has 2 points per game.
-Brule could also get a small boost in his offensive attributes, he has 10 points in 16 games (5G, 5A)
-I don't know if there is a stat for that, but Grebeshkov has a really bad habit of giving the puck to the opposite team (somone already asked to have his defensive abilities lowered I believe).
-Jacques should have a little better hitting, its pretty much what he does , higher injury proneness though, every time he gets called up he injures something.
-Steve Macintyre was claimed by the Panthers on Waivers
-Reddox's shooting and passing attributes should be lower, he is truely useless for anything but banging bodies.
-Nilsson's teamwork, work rate, consistancy, and positioning should be less.
-O'Sullivan is RW/LW/C this year, He shoots a lot as well (56 so far), I'm not sure how the pass shoot tendancy works in the editor, but he should be closer to the shoot end.
-Penner is an interesting problem. He's in the top 5 in scoring this year. But in the past has been somewhat streaky. If you think its right to increase some attributes now, or wait until later in the season and see if he keeps this up. Personnally I'm ready to say to Burke: "So 4.5 million, way to much for that player eh." Always said they would be overpaying for him for the first couple years. Hope he keeps up this pace, it would be great for the Oil to finally have that type of player again.
-Pisani's injury proneness should be up, they guy can't play a week without injuring himself.
-Stortini should have higher bravery, he led the league in fighting majors last year

Hope this helps, If you all don't agree with my ideas here, its ok, I realize I may have my Homer Glasses on.
I agree with all of your suggestions.
-Nilsson should have a consistency rating of 5-7, he got the potential to be a 1st liner but can never come out of the the habit of three brutal periods for each great one.
-Penner should be stronger than in the database no-matter of what season you base the stats on. His effort and stats have been questioned earlier, but he always had top strength.
-Deslauriers hasn't been tested that much but he really is a hard worker, great teamplayer and consistent in all his apperences. He has always worked hard dispite his lack of play time for two seasons and been able to come ready for each game. Therefore he have justified a boost in all connected mental stats like prof. amb. etc. His stickhandling could be one point lower just like his passing, he sometimes really mess things up when handling the puck after a save. His pace should also be under 10.
-Khabibulin should have a mental profile to reflect his morphine-calm apperence. He's the calmest goaltender I ever seen.
-Ethan Moreau is way overrated in his technical attributes. He is hard working and ambitious but his lack of skill makes him a 3-4:th liner.
-Staios should be slower, his age has got to him and he's more of a pylon than a racingcar (7-9). He is undersized and suffers from being a bit low in the strength area nowaday(11-12). His age hasn't touched his work ethic so he should be one of the hardest working (teamwork 18-19) players in the league. He has to be one of the most frequent shootblockers leaguewide and throws himself on the ground, his head to the shoot, if it prevents his goal but sometimes he does this too much (bravery 18-19, decisions 7-8).

Well, that is all I got for the moment!

More minor work done on the Oilers...

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:41 am

duff88 wrote:Another worthy correction would be on Richard Park of the Islanders. His in-game persona doesn't reflect how much of a hard worker that player is; he's one of the best in the league.

OK

Post by **visualdarkness** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:44 am

Lidas wrote:
More minor work done on the Oilers...

The Oilers will be the most scouted team in the league

I'll try to scout another team now so you don't get totally bored to death!

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:45 am

visualdarkness wrote:Jost found one more thing I somehow missed with the Oilers :
Frederic Chabot - Goaltending Consultant

He should be pretty good too since he got a really good reputation after his work with the national team camps, I can't give any better profile though.

Added as a GK coach.

Hensel · Post by **Hensel** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:47 am

Brandon Glover is not in the game. He is a back up goalie for Moose Jaw this year.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdis ... ncode=TRUE

Very Average goalie

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:48 am

Hensel wrote:Jordan Hensel-Peninsula Eagles- Plays defence not LW.

Brayden Schenn-Brandon Wheat Kings- Should be way better defensivly. He was compared to Mike Richards at the draft.

Jamie Benn- Dallas Stars- Dominated the WHL, World Juniors and Memorial Cup. Had more points than Taveras for most of the early season until recently. Will be future NHL allstar, should have all offensive attributes hightened.

I had already worked on Benn, but updated the other two.

Chopps4312 · Post by **Chopps4312** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:23 am

First, thanks everyone. This is great.

Lidas, i'm not sure if this has been said yet but i disagree with you on the
AHL. Rather than moving theworse place teams, i think you should have put the newest teams there. Only, because i'm a historian as well as a fan of hockey. Springfield,MA is the home of the AHL and one of the oldest teams in the league. It's a shame they aren't in the league. It would be like the Bruins not being in the NHL, the first American team. Thanks for your work again, love it.

adawxawx · Post by **adawxawx** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:22 am

allright, i know i'll get flamed for this, but here goes.

Lidas, what is the approximate timeline for releasing 2.1?

2 weeks? 1 month? 2 months? 4?

i ask this because i want to know if i should wait for the next DB or edit the current release.

thanks...

brob89 · Post by **brob89** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:13 am

Michael Grabner for the canucks is very fast, that is essentially what makes him an NHL player
and possible future top six forward, without it, he is nothing more than a top six AHL-er...
anyone who has seen him play knows that he is far faster than a 15...
Mason Raymond presently lacks the technical gifts to be a top six forward, but he is a hard worker,
and should at least be playable on the 2nd PK line...
If anyone in the league has a 20 rating on poke checking I recommend that person being Willie Mitchell...
Rick Rypien is pound for pound the toughest player in the NHL, (maybe only because Tootoo weighs more),
need proof? Go to www.hockeyfights.com and check out his two fights against Brandon Prust, and after watching those fights, compare Rypiens stats to Prusts, it is absurd... Rypien never loses in a fair fight, and he takes on guys who are 6 inches taller and 40lbs heavier (not always successfully, but sometimes - vs Hal Gill, vs Commodore), as final proof of his toughness, I believe there is also a video of him taking on Carcillo, and winning... again.
i understand that we need to allow time to season our opinions about the skills of players before we either over-rate or under-rate them, but Grabner is fast, as long as he plays hockey, that will be his strength,
Willie Mitchell is a defensive defense-man, and one of the best at what he does (certainly not one of the best all around)
and rick rypien was a golden gloves boxer, he's a quick aggressive player who stands up to anyone...
other players----
Patrick Elias - a great player for sure, no doubt, but I mean!?!? He's almost as good as ovechkin!! He's not that good.
Matt Duschene - I hate the avalanche, but this dude is another quick young player, at least quicker than we've given him credit for...
that's all of I can think of right now...

brob89 · Post by **brob89** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:40 am

Donald Brashear's speed and acceleration are both 15 really??
Brashear isn't really slow, but grabner is FAR FAR faster,
Ryan Johnson is also rated 15's in spd and acc, he could probably be 17's, he's
isn't as fast as raymond (or cogliano) but he's fast.
also compare Elias' ratings to Patrick Kane... like I said, Elias is good, but...
and lastly,
Cody Hodgson was *predicted* to be an NHL regular this year, and unfortunately...injury...
just compare Hodgson and Nashville's rookie center Colin Wilson,
again, I'm not saying Hodgson is better that Wilson, but, there certainly isn't such
a massive disparity between their technical abilities...
done

Post by **Jypfan92** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:19 am

lapaz wrote:
Farm teams:
JYP --> D-team
Ilves --> LeKi
Tappara --> LeKi
Pelicans --> HeKi
Kärpät --> Hokki
SaiPa --> Jukurit
HPK --> SaPKo
TPS --> TuTo
Lukko --> FPS

D-Team is Jyp's farm team, they have made official contract.
LeKi is Ilves's farm team and HPK and Tappara just send players there
HeKi is Pelicans's farm team, but i'm not totally sure
Hokki is Kärpät's farm team
I don't know Saipa-Jukurit's and HPK-Sapko's case, but i'm quite sure that they only send players there
Tuto is TPS's farm team, they made contract before season start
I don't know Lukko-FPS's case but i'm quite sure that FPS is Lukko's farm team

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:46 am

Chopps4312 wrote:First, thanks everyone. This is great.

Lidas, i'm not sure if this has been said yet but i disagree with you on the
AHL. Rather than moving theworse place teams, i think you should have put the newest teams there. Only, because i'm a historian as well as a fan of hockey. Springfield,MA is the home of the AHL and one of the oldest teams in the league. It's a shame they aren't in the league. It would be like the Bruins not being in the NHL, the first American team. Thanks for your work again, love it.

Sorry, but Ive done the same for all other leagues with the wrong number of teams too, and I want to be consequent. If they step up their game, they'll be in AHL in versions 3.X. If you want to play with them in AHL, its not that difficult to fix it yourself, and if you cant figure it out, send me a PM and I'll help you out.

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:16 am

adawxawx wrote:allright, i know i'll get flamed for this, but here goes.

Lidas, what is the approximate timeline for releasing 2.1?

2 weeks? 1 month? 2 months? 4?

i ask this because i want to know if i should wait for the next DB or edit the current release.

thanks...

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Everything up to here has been covered.

You still have a few hours to add requests, because soon Ill send the DB to the admins and have them upload it.

lapaz · Post by **lapaz** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:56 am

Lidas wrote:Everything up to here has been covered.

You still have a few hours to add requests, because soon Ill send the DB to the admins and have them upload it.

Can you wait that I'll send my corrective for randomize players... I am ready about hour...

Otso · Post by **Otso** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:01 am

Some minor transfers.

Jokerit --> Sami Helenius --> Pelicans. (I'm not sure if it's a loan contract or did they sell him.. All the sources just say that he moves there for the rest of the season.)
Free Agent --> Alex Brooks --> Jokerit (One-year deal)
Free Agent --> Marc Lamothe --> Pelicans
Kärpät --> J.D. Forrest --> Kloten Flyers (SWI)
New Player --> Dmitri Shelomentsev --> Roki (http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=51346 Has good reach, big sized, mobile and does well infront of the goal.)

Hope I'm not late.

Lidas Rosters 2009/10 - Mistakes/Omissions/Tweaks/Etc

Couple of changes

extrapolating the point